yeah, precisely
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link
Any publicity is good publicity for a POS who's been clinging to the fringes for forever and could die in deserved obscurity if we'd had the good sense to have never acknowledged them in the first place.
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link
xpost I had no idea he was the subject of a Morris doc! I want to hear him hold forth on literally nothing, so ... pass.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
I get what Feinberg's saying, but I don't really understand why interviewing is incompatible with "how the far right works", or even what that means
I mean, is it the same as saying "journalism doesn't work any more, forget it"?
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
That's partly the point I made upthread: a lot of my reporter friends were puzzled about the outrage. The only argument that made headway was when I reminded them that Bannon is hemorrhaging readers and is no longer in the White House.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
the trap that a lot of well-meaning people fall into when it comes to debating fascists is assuming that both sides will act in good faith and present their ideas honestly and therefore the fascist will be defeated by facts
that's not how far right discourse works; it's pointless trying to hold them to those standards
the sartre quote about anti-semitism that's been doing the rounds kinda sums it up
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
Man Sartre otm
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
I get that, but why should journalist's only interview people we expect to reply in good faith? I don't think Remnick's that stupid to expect good faith ("Bannon's not going to burst into tears").
I mean, even though he's no longer in the White House, he's been a key influence on one of the most nihilistic and destructive government's of my lifetime - and he's not as smart as he thinks he is. There's a chance, worth risking I think, that he could reveal something (consciously or unconsciously) that's useful. Or put his foot in it in a way that's unhelpful to the right.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
(I wouldn't make the same case about Milo or Cernovich)
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
useful to whom? for what purpose?
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
I get that, but why should journalist's only interview people we expect to reply in good faith?
that's a good point, when it applies to interviewing people who haven't lived public lives and whose views are relatively unknown.
that doesn't apply to bannon. we know what he thinks. he still lives a very public life. he has plenty of other forums to share his interesting views about how we're already in the midst of world war III with islam. remnick is very unlikely to draw out new information that will somehow be the key to the entire current nightmare. as others have said, remnick and bannon are playing different games.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
karl otm
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
(xpost) I guess - some motivational insight into the way things worked at the White House, of which people were previously unaware?
This is a good point tho
As for "combative" -- yes, I totally believe that an editor who allowed a fact-checker to quit because he was terrified of alt right Twitter knows how to go toe-to-toe.— Laura Lippman (@LauraMLippman) September 3, 2018
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
some motivational insight into the way things worked at the White House, of which people were previously unaware?
this is the leakiest white house in history and, again, bannon has no obligation or likely any motivation to offer an accurate account of how things worked during his time there
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
actually the point of a festival of ideas is for rich jerkoffs to feel cerebral while bigtimers like you rake in money https://t.co/PQAh09j8Z0— Owen Ellickson (@onlxn) September 4, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
there's a lot of things I want to call Malcom Gladwell
― faculty w1fe (silby), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
there's a difference between a standard interview and a prestige interview, virtually always some level of puff piece even if the subject is repulsive by the nature of the beast.
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
The only valid argument I can think of for inviting Steve Bannon as a featured guest at some big public conference is if there's like a dermatological panel on the hazards of poor self-care where he just stands there shirtless as experts point out all of the ways your skin can rebel against you.
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
Just imagine the Sisyphean task of Bannon removing all of his shirts.
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link
lol
David Remnick is no longer the editor of The New Yorker. Twitter is, writes @BretStephensNYT. https://t.co/8vk8DiguQl— NYT Opinion (@nytopinion) September 4, 2018
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
gtfo lol
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 00:30 (five years ago) link
another fine instance of "Twitter" almost always being a dog whistle for "social justice warriors"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 01:45 (five years ago) link
(as in, whenever someone blames Twitter for something, and it isn't about nazis, that's what they're blaming)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 01:46 (five years ago) link
can twitter take bret stephens' job too? that would be nice.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 02:08 (five years ago) link
festivals and conferences are times when a profession gets to restate and redefine who they are, who's in the club, what their focus is, etc. - i'd even argue that is their point, above any actual information that gets shared (who actually ends up reading thru any of those presentations afterwards?)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 08:51 (five years ago) link
anyway my point being that remnick appears to not understand what these sorts of fests are for
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 08:52 (five years ago) link
When the New Yorker Festival started, it was just about the music, maaan. Being with friends out in the woods and discovering new bands. Then came the drugs and the costumes and the wacky flags and shit.
― Moves like Javert (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 10:02 (five years ago) link
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 11:59 (five years ago) link
in the future citing ilx will be best practice
― mark s, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 12:00 (five years ago) link
lol, this already happens, if you didn't know:
https://books.google.com/books?id=ed9GAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=president+keyes+i+love+music&source=bl&ots=5DnuAhuli2&sig=DB7JVVtRb3WdkLMY8wl3gf-qCiQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_9cHP_uHKAhWD5BoKHT-5CtgQ6AEIQTAJ#v=onepage&q=president%20keyes%20i%20love%20music&f=false
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
NYT Business section today calls the NYer Fest "fantasy camp for liberals"
Roger Stone has appeared in the past
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 14:12 (five years ago) link
the past, where roger stone belongs
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
I don’t read tons of film reviews so my basis for comparison is limited but my god could anyone be more of a useless bore than Anthony Lane?
― faculty w1fe (silby), Saturday, 8 September 2018 01:46 (five years ago) link
Like where does he get off using all these fucking similes in a 700 word movie review
― faculty w1fe (silby), Saturday, 8 September 2018 01:53 (five years ago) link
P.G. Wodehouse wannabe
― Josefa, Saturday, 8 September 2018 02:04 (five years ago) link
is there a way to download the audio of the magazine articles onto my phone? I can’t figure out a way to downlod the audio from the NYer app, and apparently I have to pay to use audim
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 23 October 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
This was really good.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/29/the-myth-of-whiteness-in-classical-sculpture/amp?__twitter_impression=true
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
There was an interesting article about color and sculpture in the NY Review also a few months ago:
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/07/19/sculpture-bodies-spitting-image/
― o. nate, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link
I think Patricia Marx has justified her whole shtick with the robot piece in 11/26
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 04:27 (five years ago) link
If they offered a subscription with just archival issues every week, I would sign up.z
― o. nate, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
it would be awesome to be able to access the archives without using that lame viewer
― President Keyes, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
I actually have the complete archives on DVD thing, though god knows if it still works on a modern OS. Having a curated selection each week in print would be worth paying for IMO.
― o. nate, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/did-capital-punishment-create-morality
― Mordy, Friday, 15 February 2019 02:32 (five years ago) link
so i should read past 'alpha males' in the subhead?
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 February 2019 02:41 (five years ago) link
Haven't read this yet, but the brief synopsis in the NY Times is intriguing:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/08/the-day-the-dinosaurs-died
― o. nate, Monday, 1 April 2019 01:27 (five years ago) link
That story is controversial:
There is so much that’s suspicious about this @NewYorker story that my bullshit alarm is going off at full blast. @SteveBrusatte is already on this, but wow... this is someone with a severe case of Bakkeritis trying to fast track fame. https://t.co/MQKF4ELLFN— Riley 🏴☠️ Skeleton Keys! (@Laelaps) March 29, 2019
― lukas, Monday, 1 April 2019 01:43 (five years ago) link
oopsThat's the beginning of a long thread
― lukas, Monday, 1 April 2019 01:45 (five years ago) link
yeah i was suspicious because the atlantic (?) story from a while back convinced me about the mendacity of the lost weekend theory
― cheese canopy (map), Monday, 1 April 2019 02:04 (five years ago) link
Fwiw my neighbor Roy is a paleontologist (!) and while he agrees this dude is a showboater and that no one likes a showboater, he thinks what is being reported is a huge deal.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link