pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

Eh, his solo stuff usually doesn't do it for me but this one hits the spot.

The Eraser is classic imo, not a bad song on there. Would pick it over several Radiohead records.

https://pitchfork.com/news/serial-season-3-announced-new-trailer-shared-listen/

Let this be the death of the “shared” concept.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/yves-tumor-safe-in-the-hands-of-love/

Hey look a 9.1!

first 9+ of the year, i'm excited to give it a listen

Wow, that's true, that's the first 9+ they've given this year. That's pretty unusual.

yeah, i noticed that they hadn't given one a few weeks back—it's been a weird year for both big ticket releases and ambitious indie darling albums, i guess.

Looks like they're doing a new "Best Albums of the 1980s" list next week. Let's see how it will compare with the 2002 one.

oh hell yeah i contributed to that and i am extremely psyched to see how it came out

prob gonna be 200 albums, like the 60s list

The fact that they haven't called makes me think Kliché and Anne Linnet are getting robbed :(

the most important question: where will The Blue Nile's Hats place?

yeah that's one i'm really wondering about

Hats belong on top

The Yves Tumor review should win some kind of award for creating an imaginary album in my mind that was far different, and far more awesome, than the actual recorded music under review.

Maybe the reviewer has never bought a spray painted cassette in an edition of 50 from shlubby midwestern noise dudes?

“How to Drink Your Way Through OctFest” really lights up a front page dominated by stories about the tragic death of an addict...

(I know beer/liquor ads have long accompanied rock 'n roll editorial, but there’s something deeply sour about the October thing for me)

it’s gross for sure

it’s gross for sure

Maybe the fact that it’s not promoting a specific brand (like traditional advertising) is what makes it seem worse... it’s just generally promoting booze consumption as a “lifestyle” for young people, tied in w/music.

yeah that shit sucks

https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/the-200-best-albums-of-the-1980s/

hats @ 85

Zen Arcade = 68
Let It Be = 35

This is totally unacceptable

Big Science at 22 and the #1 are good

#1 Toto IV

extremely dull & canonical list that nobody needed, obv

It's the same as before but woker.

Diamond Life clocking in at #10 — above both the queen is dead and closer — is a level of poptimism I did not expect. Good list though. World at Echo at #25 is awesome

Instead of substituting genuinely unexpected, lesser sung LPs for bloated hipster heavyweights, they just tell you it's alright to like the stuff you already knew about. It's an injunction to go from the familiar to the familiar – truly inspiring.

as usual the most interesting part of the list is the higher numbers and those are what make the list worthwhile

You guys should be shot into the sun for your misuse of “woke”

Anita Baker way, way too low

lots of stuff to explore in the 200-100s

These lists aren't made for the geeks. I learned a lot from the original list sixteen years ago, when I was a teen, and if this can help young people today then I also think it's pretty significant that they are getting a canon where Janet Jackson and Sade are in the top ten.

On the 2002 list there is one solo woman (Kate Bush at 92) and one women-only band (ESG at 84). It's not as if women are banned (Sonic Youth and Talking Heads are at 1 and 2) but the first clearly female-fronted band is Young Marble Giants at 63 (unless I'm missing something). The new list is not more 'woke', the old list was hopelessly slanted.

extremely dull & canonical list that nobody needed, obv

I'm sure this list is much more rounded than the original one, but the choices are still dullsville

Even within single artists, they've gone for the safe choice p much every time

Anyway, who cares really - we've always known that the fucking cunts treat us like pricks

It's true, you know. There were only two good jazz albums released in the entire 1980s, and they were by Cecil Taylor and Ornette Coleman.

I like that a few artists who have been ignored by these polls in the past are getting their deserved due/placings, like Janet, Sade and Kate Bush. I do wish that there was a bit more honesty in confronting stuff that hasn't aged particularly well, or held onto its influence since the last poll. Stuff like NWA, Public Enemy, Eric B & Rakim, Beastie Boys, BDP, Run DMC...I appreciate the influence those albums had in their day, but they haven't been honestly that important in how rap has developed since they last did this list in 2002. But I get that influence isn't everything; the main thing for me is that they also don't sound very good in 2018. They sound primitive to me in the way that listening to Jerry Lee Lewis or Little Richard does compared to most 'rock' music created since.

I appreciate the influence those albums had in their day, but they haven't been honestly that important in how rap has developed since they last did this list in 2002.

What are the '80s albums that have influenced how rap has developed since 2002?

Even within single artists, they've gone for the safe choice p much every time

It's a consensus list. Consensus tends to form around an artist's most popular albums. How do people still have a problem grasping this?

lol as usual most of the records i voted for/wrote about landed in the bottom 100

hotter than july is way too low imo

Are you able to share your ballot, Brad?

xpost 1) plenty of people like myself still love those records and I actually think they should great today

having influence on today is a terrible metric imo

also you could argue run dmc's sucker MCs for example has a great effect on all rap that came after up, it's mechanical minimalism made rap it's own music not trying to recreate park jams with disco pro bands....

whether you still think they sound good is just an opinion that may not be shared by ppl at pitchfork

They sound primitive to me in the way that listening to Jerry Lee Lewis or Little Richard does compared to most 'rock' music created since.

I don't disagree with anything here except the idea that primitive is bad. Run-DMC sounds great in 2018 for the same reason a lot of 50's rock does - the simplicity really travels across eras.

They sound primitive to me in the way that listening to Jerry Lee Lewis or Little Richard does compared to most 'rock' music created since.

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yes, "Evenflow" >>> "Good Golly Miss Molly"

Tbh I'd be a lot more interested in a revised 2000s list, considering opinion she about that decade haven't quite solidified into a canon, and I would venture to say that a bit more of the people writing for the site have living memory of that decade than the 80s (I mean, I was born in 1990, so...)

That said, there's a whole bunch of shit I haven't heard yet, which is really what I value in these lists, and a lot of interesting things in the 101-200 region, but if you want a truly alternative list of best stuff of the 80s (even if I don't agree with it at all), y'all should check out the Fact Mag list from a while back

also calling PE and the Beasties (at least Paul's Boutique) "primitive" is...odd to me

I don't disagree with anything here except the idea that primitive is bad. Run-DMC sounds great in 2018 for the same reason a lot of 50's rock does - the simplicity really travels across eras.

Yeah, that's true. I don't think primitive necessarily means bad, but I do find that I rarely tend to reach for that kind of stuff when flicking through my library looking for something to listen to. It's more an interesting music history lesson to me than music that makes me feel something.

I get that a lot of people still genuinely love a lot of these 80s rap records, but I do feel like they're over-represented at the top of the list compared to how often I see people still talking about them lovingly in recent years. FWIW, I still really love the De La Soul and Slick Rick records and listen to them regularly.

Also, I don't agree with influence being a heavily weighted metric either, but I do think it's one they're trying to use here.

yes, "Evenflow" >>> "Good Golly Miss Molly"

I know you're being facetious, but I literally agree with this.

also calling PE and the Beasties (at least Paul's Boutique) "primitive" is...odd to me

The choppy production/sampling has aged these records badly for my ears. The closest thing to it these days is what Kanye has been doing lately, which also doesn't sound very good.