thread to dis hyped releases that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about

this thread should be burned to the ground

People can hate on what they want, but questioning other listeners' underlying motivations is a technically very difficult power-move to execute without looking small-minded and intellectually lazy, so in most cases it's a rhetorical manoeuvre best avoided or at least saved for real "in emergency break glass" situations, which is probably not "why do people enjoy this perfectly pleasant power-pop album".

Nah.

In the anachronistic spirit of this thread, I'll try to contribute to it once my to-listen list finally hits 2018, so if all goes well, some time next year.

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Without questioning anyone's motivations (for anything), I'm also a little surprised at the passionate reception for the Beths (it's fine, but I thought I'd like it more, based on descriptions).

But I've felt the same way about other stuff here recently that folks have gone gaga over. I wish I could hear more stuff with the same ears, I'd rather love stuff than not love it!

But I've felt the same way about other stuff here recently that folks have gone gaga over. I wish I could hear more stuff with the same ears, I'd rather love stuff than not love it!

― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:33 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is largely where I am with music in general right now. I love stuff but it is generally not the stuff others love, to the point where I've wondered if this is some kind of defense mechanism

Eh, you're overthinking it. As long as you're willing to give everything a fair shake, like whatever you like and stick with it. I stopped looking for a community of like-minded listeners a long time ago, and that's ok.

Tim otm. If one can't see the difference between "i don't get this thing everyone seems to love" and "i don't get this thing everyone seems to love, probably because it's a cool look" then *shrug*

more to my point, same goes for "hmm, to each his own" vs "actually no the album is bad" in response to ppl talking about something they love.

I'm never really mystified about why others like what they like, but I often make the mistake of thinking the stuff that I like is more popular or appealing than it is.

I generally try to append something like "IMO" or "to my ears" when I express a negative opinion up in here (even tho I think that should be implied), just to avoid making those kind of declarative statements. (I guess I could try not posting anything negative at all, but...)

There's a difference between a negative opinion and specifically attributing ulterior motives to people who have positive opinions

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't want to do that... who knows why those freakin' weirdos like the crazy shit they like, they must all be high (lol)

anyway the Beths album didn't come out in 2017 so technically it's ineligible for this thread :D

this trust fund album is badass, i've been sleeping, thanks lj

some good came of this then :D

People can hate on what they want, but questioning other listeners' underlying motivations is a technically very difficult power-move to execute without looking small-minded and intellectually lazy ...

― Tim F

this happens constantly here though

Of course

Though the upgraded version (which I am more likely to fall back on myself) is “you listen to this thing rather than that thing because you have dubious aesthetic predilections and/or you are part of hype circles and gatekeeper discourses which structurally advantage the reputation of this thing over that thing even though that thing is better.”

Which is related but not quite the same thing. It’s more of a “forgive them father, for they know what they do” brand of condescension.

I like the "you're a hypocrite b/c you like THIS but not THIS" move (which I'm sure I've fallen into myself)

i think that "upgraded version" way a lot which wld probably be better if it led me to pose questions (not prescriptions!) to people i think fall into those groups instead of privately grumbling to friends or myself like i usually do

I guess I don’t really care whether ppl like the same stuff I do (nothing I can do about it); though it is kind of a bummer when you mention liking something on here, and 3 or 4 ppl chime in, “Nah, that sucks.”

In those cases, I actually would like to know their reasons, so there’s at least basis for discussion...

for me, music is social. i like music more when people of my acquaintance also like it - i'd say this has happened with the beths and previously with king. in light of that it's probably always going to be divisive when somebody goes out of their way to dissent from that.

timely bump of the yves tumor thread - I've just listened to the album and am glad to report that it is nowt but trendy mithering, sounds like some third-rate mego producer trying to be king krule or something. next

I guess I don’t really care whether ppl like the same stuff I do (nothing I can do about it); though it is kind of a bummer when you mention liking something on here, and 3 or 4 ppl chime in, “Nah, that sucks.”

I'd much rather hear that than mentioning liking something and zero people chime in -- at least it means it's getting discussion and getting heard

exactly - I bet at least 3 ppl listened to The Beths on the strength of my opposition. perhaps those same ppl will now listen to Yves Tumor

i don't even know what a "mego producer" is. like those crappy giant '70s action figures?

i'd rather say nothing about a record that doesn't interest me than go out of my way to express my disinterest. i can't fathom why anyone would be interested in acclaimed albums i find to be only fair-to-middling.

Agreed on principle, let’s just have this as the parquet courts hate thread tho plz

I tried to turn the Parquet Courts thread into the Parquet Courts hate thread, but no one was biting :P

it's all been downhill since Light Up Gold

Right??

this never stopped being the parquet courts hate thread!

Though the upgraded version (which I am more likely to fall back on myself) is “you listen to this thing rather than that thing because you have dubious aesthetic predilections and/or you are part of hype circles and gatekeeper discourses which structurally advantage the reputation of this thing over that thing even though that thing is better.”

Which is related but not quite the same thing. It’s more of a “forgive them father, for they know what they do” brand of condescension.

― Tim F

usually in my case it's some version of "you only think W is good because you haven't really heard X Y Z"

sounds like some third-rate mego producer trying to be king krule or something

maybe i've heard too little king krule but the yves record doesn't sound like that at all to me

for one thing "honesty" is just excellent techno basically

it's got a lot of sides imo

I have no idea whats hyped unless the discogs price is suddenly very high but thats almost everything even the lads at Scope in Rhyl are in on it

and I dont really hear any of the really bad records until the end of the year when the lad Claus turns up with 77 of them but I never remember the names. The problem is I also dont remember the names of the ones I do like and my colour coding for records is in disarray and remembering the names of your records is for bureaucrats and local businessmen

hey now

Not sure how I feel about Yves Tumor yet, but it definitely doesn't sound like King Krule

usually in my case it's some version of "you only think W is good because you haven't really heard X Y Z"

― the late great

"W" is a great van der graaf generator b-side and is miles beyond anything page, squire, and white managed to fart out

i dont think the yves tumor/king krule comparison is totally off base, obviously they aren't very similar sonically but there's a similar enough atmosphere they both create that listening to the new yves tumor did make me think 'oh this is sort of like what king krule was going for except way way better'

yves record reminds me of chino amobi
had a first listen to it this morning, i like it

The atmosphere on the King Krule record is very laid back though, isn't it? A bit distant but content and slightly warm. On Yves Tumor, I find it full of emotional tension and slightly anxious. Very different IMO.

I have no idea what any of that is but you've just described a day out in the asda

“Lana Dull Rey”

About 66 results (0.97 seconds)

daughters record is real boring

seriously! and rym is apeshit over it. made me listen to shellac at least

there's a couple of tracks near the end that are decent to good but sheesh it's just swans worship

record consistently described as wild and all over the place = pretty much just faintly industrial noise rock the whole way through

the whole "droning/punishing yet dynamic" thing they're trying to do on this record reminds me of through silver in blood weirdly enough

i prefer neurosis

That Prime Minister Of Doom album isnt awful but for what it is it is completely overhyped. Some tracks go on far too long with no development and dont even start with interesting Villalobos-style grooves to hold any attention, and the ones that are actually any good implode just as they get going.

i didn't rly get all the love for the dj healer record so wldn't be surprised if i felt the same abt this project