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Yeah, that’s a bizarre angle, like Bob Dylan talking up Buck Owens and trashing Merle Haggard.

Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link

would read Pohl memoir. he always seemed like a standup guy with p good taste to me

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link

I don't understand why that article is so virulently anti-Ray Bradbury.

because Vice hires shitty writers

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link

that interview is absolutely bizarre

Number None, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link

I'm enjoying the Karen Tidbeck books so far, thanks for the tip ILB.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 7 September 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link

which one are you reading? also sorry for mispelling it (it's Karin)

was surprised to find out she translates her own stuff

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link

Oops my bad. I'm actually reading both at the same time, I'll read a story from Jagannath before bed (um, aloud to my partner) and then some of Amatka.

was surprised to find out she translates her own stuff

Wow, that's fascinating, and seems very rare even for multi-lingual authors? Like mastering your own record. I was thinking that the translation was very good.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 7 September 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link

Tidbeck said she knew that the chances of getting translated into English were very slim. You'd have to be a real phenomenon in Sweden for that to happen so she wisely translated herself and ended up writing a lot of her work in English first.

There's a lot of writers from all over the world who just go straight to the English market because it's probably your best shot at getting the biggest audience and the general community aspect is inevitably bigger too.

Moorcock is a big Poul Anderson fan (I'm sure he said Broken Sword is better than Lord Of The Rings, but he never really liked the latter) and I've heard enough stanning that I'm going to have to at least read Broken Sword, Three Hearts & Three Lions, Hrolf Kraki's Saga, War Of The Gods and Tau Zero.

I don't know why I never taken bigger advantage of Fopp's 2 for £5 deal before, because I'll never find all these books for cheaper (when you factor postage+packaging). So I bought 14 books and will probably get more.

Why do publishers allow Fopp to sell them so cheap. How do certain books get stocked so well in there? PKDick and LeGuin make sense and I can imagine the Strugatsky's somehow doing well in Fopp but there's also a pile of Bernard Taylor, Holdstock's Mythago Wood and McKillip's Forgotten Beasts Of Eld. I'm happy to see them but why are they there? Most of the SFF is Gollancz Masterworks (I really wish America had this line in all their stores because Gollancz really knows how to curate).

I got 4 LeGuins, 3 Strugatskys, some McKillip, HGWells, Christopher Priest, Wolfe's Fifth Head Of Cerebus and some I cant remember.

On Oxfam in Byres Road I passed on a 90s Orbit copy of Michael Scott Rohan's Anvil Of Ice because I wanted the Gollancz Masterworks one (would have been excited if it was in Fopp) because I figured it might be an omnibus but it's not.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 September 2018 11:18 (five years ago) link

Tricia Sullivan got in SF Masterworks this year so that's a pretty good recommendation for a relatively recent writer.

I'm craving some no bullshit SFF criticism so I might get such books by Adam Roberts and Christopher Priest. I really appreciate Ian Sales' very difficult to please reviews on goodreads, I think his taste is completely different to mine but when he says something is amazing, I take note.

Strangely most of these guys are british. Joshi is honest but his judgement is quite iffy and he seems to be easily swayed by feuds and fannish stuff.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 September 2018 11:43 (five years ago) link

re critics: John Clute's collections of reviews?

the pinefox, Saturday, 8 September 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link

I'll take note.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 September 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link

Which collection is that?

Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link

Ian Sales is a very interesting reviewer, but he has a weird insistence that books be morally correct that seems old-fashioned and not in keeping with the fiction he actually writes.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 9 September 2018 06:38 (five years ago) link

I noticed something like that but it was his insistence that a book was too politically ambiguous that made me cautious. But I hadn't read the books so I cant really argue.

I know in these times there's a feeling that messages need to be clearer and it's understandable but I wonder if the writing might suffer for it. I recently listened to a podcast with two SF editors saying that a lot of writers work suffers when they realize a large part of their audience doesn't understand and then make it too clear.

Trying to reach everyone is a fools errand. There's always going to be people who think a fragile pathetic macho gangster is awesome because he doesn't take shit and there's people who think American History X is an undercover pro-Nazi film.

I've been toying with making a thread about showing values through storytelling and how it has changed over time. Maybe soon.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 9 September 2018 10:16 (five years ago) link

A list of Clute books here:

http://www.johnclute.co.uk/bibliography/?p=3

I'm aware of LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, SCORES, STROKES.

Other work could be good too. He has been heavily involved in the ENCYCLOPEDIAS which are now online and useful.

the pinefox, Monday, 10 September 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link

What about his significant other, Elizabeth Hand? I have enjoyed several of her books but have seen very little interest in her work on this borad.

St Etienne Is Real (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link

Clute's?

I assumed that was still Judith Clute.
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/clute_judith

Perhaps I assumed wrong.

the pinefox, Monday, 10 September 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link

I did:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clute#Personal_life

Raised in Canada, Clute lived in the United States from 1956 until 1964. He earned a Bachelor of Arts degree at New York University in 1962 while living with writer and artist Pamela Zoline.

Clute married artist Judith Clute in 1964.[7] He has been the partner of Elizabeth Hand since 1996

the pinefox, Monday, 10 September 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link

(Maybe the Clutes never divorced?)

the pinefox, Monday, 10 September 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link

Excited to see that Elizabeth Hand wrote 4 Boba Fett novels in 2 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Hand#Star_Wars_Expanded_Universe

the pinefox, Monday, 10 September 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link

Heh, haven’t gotten around to those yet myself.

St Etienne Is Real (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 September 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link

iirc i read her first novel (winterlong) back in the day and thought it was decent? i don't remember a single thing about it tho

mookieproof, Monday, 10 September 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link

Xpost
Don’t knock it, blade runner kept KW Jeter afloat for awhile there.

Elizabeth Hand used to be married to Richard Grant who wrote a few cool magic realist kind of fantasies for bantam spectra before sort of dropping out.

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 00:10 (five years ago) link

Thanks for the tip, Jon! I've only ever come across one Grant story, but it was a doozy---see how he stands out in this summation from the previous Rolling SF etc.:
I've already posted about most of the ones I really liked, and some of the duds; other categories: kinda-sorta, may need re-reading; Wolfe stories are things that make me go h'mmm (oh so tricky). Will try to answer any questions. Years of original publication are also listed.
The Ascent of Wonder: The Evolution of Hard Sf, David G. Hartwell and Kathryn Cramer, eds., 1994

Ursula K. Le Guin "Nine Lives" 1969 good
Bob Shaw "Light of Other Days" 1966 good
Nathaniel Hawthorne "Rappaccini's Daughter" 1844 good
Arthur C. Clarke "The Star" 1955 nah
Hal Clement "Proof" 1942 good
Robert A. Heinlein "It's Great to Be Back" 1947 nah
Gene Wolfe "Procreation" 1984 Eh?
Henry Kuttner and C.L. Moore “Mimsy Were the Borogoves” 1943 good
Raymond Z. Gallun “Davy Jones' Ambassador” 1935 good
Isaac Asimov “The Life and Times of Multivac” 1975 mmm-meh
Robert L. Forward “The Singing Diamond” 1979 pretty good
Dean Ing “Down & Out on Ellfive Prime” 1979 good
Hilbert Schenck “Send Me a Kiss by Wire” 1984 kinda
Philip Latham “The Xi Effect” 1950 nah
Edgar Allan Poe “A Descent into the Maelström” 1841 kinda-sorta
Gregory Benford “Exposures” 1982 meh-ish stiffly imposing
Kate Wilhelm “The Planners” 1968 stiffly imposing/contrived (lol 60s?)
James Blish “Beep” 1954 nah
Richard Grant “Drode's Equations” 1981 good! Borgesian
Theodore L. Thomas “The Weather Man” 1962 nah
Part II
Arthur C. Clarke “Transit of Earth” 1971 nah
J.G. Ballard “Prima Belladonna” 1971 good
Donald M. Kingsbury “To Bring in the Steel” 1978 good
C.M. Kornbluth “Gomez” 1954 kinda
Isaac Asimov “Waterclap” 1970 good
Anne McCaffrey “Weyr Search” 1967 good
Rudy Rucker “Message Found in a Copy of Flatland” 1983 good-ish
Tom Godwin “The Cold Equations” 1954 good
H.G. Wells “The Land Ironclads” 1903 good
Larry Niven “The Hole Man” 1973 nah
John W. Campbell “Atomic Power” 1934 nah
John T. Sladek “Stop Evolution in Its Tracks!” shit 1988
Miles J. Breuer, M.D. “The Hungry Guinea Pig” 1930 good in an early pulp silly way
Ian Watson “The Very Slow Time Machine” 1978 good
Bruce Sterling “The Beautiful and the Sublime” 1986 good (actually doesn't suck)
Ursula K. Le Guin “The Author of the Acacia Seeds” 1974 good
John M. Ford “Heat of Fusion” 1984 nah
Gordon R. Dickson “Dolphin's Way” 1964 kinda
Gene Wolfe “All the Hues of Hell” 1987 maybe?
Theodore Sturgeon “Occam's Scalpel” 1971 h'mmm, the ending
Edward Bryant “giANTS” 1979 kinda, above average ending (very last sentence), for sure
Randall Garrett “Time Fuse” 1954 nah
Clifford D. Simak “Desertion” 1944 good
Part III
Poul Anderson "Kyrie” 1969, mostly good? some bits of ick
Raymond F. Jones “The Person from Porlock” 1947 seems like pre-Gick for a while, but nah
Frederik Pohl “Day Million” 1966 nah
J.G. Ballard “Cage of Sand” 1963 good
James Tiptree, Jr. “The Psychologist Who Wouldn't Do Awful Things to Rats” 1976 good
Jules Verne “In the Year 2889” (year of orig. pub not listed) good
James Blish “Surface Tension” 1952 good, although lol-ish ending
Cordwainer Smith “No, No, Not Rogov!” 1959 good (I think?)
George Turner “In a Petri Dish Upstairs” 1978 good
Rudyard Kipling “With the Night Mail” good-ish ?
Arthur C. Clarke “The Longest Science Fiction Story Ever Told” 1965 okay but could've been better?
Alfred Bester “The Pi Man” 1959 just okay-ish (compared to some of his 50s)
Gregory Benford “Relativistic Effects” 1982 good
James P. Hogan “Making Light” 1981 nah
Isaac Asimov “The Last Question” 1956 nah
Philip K. Dick “The Indefatigable Frog” 1953 okay-ish (compared to some of his 50s)
John M. Ford “Chromatic Aberration” 1994 kinda
Katherine Maclean “The Snowball Effect” 1952 nah
Hilbert Schenck “The Morphology of the Kirkham Wreck” 1978 good
Greg Bear “Tangents” 1986 kinda, but predictable
William Gibson “Johnny Mnemonic” 1981 nah
David Brin “What Continues, What Fails...” 1991 kinda (def some good science ideas and promising setting. but more like notes)
Michael F. Flynn "Mammy Morgan Played the Organ; Her Daddy Beat the Drum" 1990 good
Vernor Vinge "Bookworm, Run!" 1966 some good details, but as with Bester and Dick, although much, much more so: why *this* Vinge?

― dow, Thursday, 11 April 2013 20:55 (five years ago) Permalink

Not that I don't get into some other short Wolfe, like "The Death of Doctor Island", and will re-re-read these some more.

― dow, Thursday, 11 April 2013 20:59 (five years ago) Permalink

Raymond F. Jones “The Person from Porlock” 1947 seems like pre-Gick for a while, but nah pre-Dick!

― dow, Thursday, 11 April 2013 21:01 (five years ago) Permalink

dow, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link

Yes, Grant's story was the only good' un to get an exclamation mark out of me---Maybe that's unfair, but it was spontaneous. Surer about "Borgesian."
Clute's SFEncyclopedia posts are often very astute, and can be so in a complicated lucidity---I especially dig his fail-safe: hyperlinks to other entries, the worlds behind and in his repurposed words, like "ponder" as noun.

dow, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link

Wells and James talked about collaborating on a novel once, about Mars. It's in their correspondence.

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) September 12, 2018

mark s, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link

(that's HG Wells and Henry James)

mark s, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link

I knew your thread would come good in the end!

Henry James in Space

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link

lol wtf -- i have no memory of that (or any idea even which office i'm referring to)

mark s, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 16:02 (five years ago) link

Re: Clute and Adam Roberts

http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/reviews/john-clutes-the-darkening-garden-a-short-lexicon-of-horror/

I remember hearing about this book when it came out and I distrusted what I considered to be very narrow rules being set out. The reviewer likes the idea of the false world but again, I'm not so sure it works and I'm deeply suspicious of trying to define genres in this way.

http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/reviews/lifelines-and-deadlines-selected-nonfiction-by-james-lovegrove-and-rave-and-let-die-the-sf-fantasy-of-2014-by-adam-roberts/

Rave And Let Die is the greatest title for a book of reviews.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 September 2018 21:42 (five years ago) link

It's a very entertaining book, too

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 22 September 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link

Anybody got any opinions on peter watts

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 September 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link

from prev. Rolling Science Fiction etc.:
just downloaded a bunch of free epub books, jumped into one already and wish I were reading it right now:

Blindsight by Peter Watts, which I'm about 2/3 through and there's quite a lot about neurology and math and topics that I don't even know enough about to know what to call them, but I feel like I'm learning shit? Also it's exciting and mysterious. I'm a sucker for plot.

Mars Girl by Jeff Garrity

My Own Kind of Freedom, Steven Brust

Star Dragon, Mike Brotherton

― it's not that print journalists don't have a sense of humour, it's just (Laurel), Monday, August 22, 2011 8:59 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wikipedia says Blindsight is about "the nature of identity and consciousness." Also it involves explanations of the Chinese Room scenario and other smarty-pants turing/AI stuff.

― it's not that print journalists don't have a sense of humour, it's just (Laurel), Monday, August 22, 2011 9:03 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That could either be right up my street, or the kind of thing I would end up throwing across the room in disgust.

― ledge, Monday, August 22, 2011 9:05 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Where did you get it from? Going on 3 week hol soon, need to gather reading material.

― ledge, Monday, August 22, 2011 9:06 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know where it's from, I use the Aldiko reader for droid phones and when I search for things it just sends me to a "store"? But I only download free books from that "store."

― it's not that print journalists don't have a sense of humour, it's just (Laurel), Monday, August 22, 2011 9:09 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.manybooks.net/titles/wattspother06Blindsight.html

― little mushroom person (abanana), Monday, August 22, 2011 9:24 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

great, thanks. think that site might be hidden in my delicious bookmarks somewhere.

― ledge, Monday, August 22, 2011 9:25 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That could either be right up my street, or the kind of thing I would end up throwing across the room in disgust.
--ledge

Planning to use the ledge as my litmus test for this kind of thing in the future
― Viriconium Island Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, August 22, 2011 9:34 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if i hate it, you'll buy it? ;)

― ledge, Monday, August 22, 2011 9:35 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my ultimate reaction will probably be "meh, s'ok"

― ledge, Monday, August 22, 2011 9:36 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um, no:)

― Viriconium Island Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, August 22, 2011 9:36 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Blindsight is great, second time round was rewarding too, His Rifters trilogy also available free online is pretty astounding too. He's my favourite modern SF writer.

― AJD, Monday, August 22, 2011 4:17 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, BLindsight is fantastic. All his novels and almost all of his short stories are downloadable from his website: http://www.rifters.com/real/shorts.htm

If you read Blindsight, the multimedia presentation he did about the vampire science is great fun: http://www.rifters.com/real/progress.htm

― not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Monday, August 22, 2011 6:21 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dow, Saturday, 22 September 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link

"The Island" by Peter Watts (Year's Best SF 15, Hartwell & Cramer, eds.)---The narrator, a female-identifying entity, awakens once again on outward bound ship/portal, where things long since post-human pass through. A cosmic cloaca, and Damon Knight would dig this take on how a Galactic Empire would really work, esp. with centuries of suspended animation so often an unexamined given in today's s.f. She's ready to get back into her eternal feud with the Chimp, derisive name for the ship's hard drive (they need each other, she hates him/it, even more for being so detached). This time, she soon encounters her son, a perhaps mentally challenged human grown from the Chimp's secret stash of narrator's and her long-dead lover's materials. It all gets pretty harrowing, somewhat tragic, also could be titled "Angry Candy" or "Psychocandy." Gotta check some more Watts--apparently he's set all his stories adrift on the Web.

― dow, Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:32 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cosmic cloaca??

― the late great, Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:16 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dow, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link

All Peter Watts work is free on his website: http://www.rifters.com

― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Monday, July 30, 2012 7:44 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Someone hated Watts--Lamp, maybe?

― check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Monday, July 30, 2012 7:51 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Rift trilogy is pretty brutal. I think I may have bogged down and not finished the third book.

― check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Monday, July 30, 2012 7:51 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dow, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link

Peter Watts! Yesssssssss. I loved the stand-alone book--the trilogy ones got kind of brutal read in a row but maybe you'll approach them difftly/better.

― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:20 PM (five years ago)

got a proof of the new Peter Watts, 'Echopraxia', and am loving it so far. If you enjoyed 'Blindsight', it's set in the same world. If the presence of scientifically rationalised neanderthal vampires in that bothered you, this one also has body/brain-hacked soldier 'zombies'.

― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:08 PM (four years ago)

dow, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link

At one point, he posted all his shorter (?) fiction online for free---maybe some novels too?---but later said somebody was peddling it as counterfeit ebooks.

dow, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:08 (five years ago) link

Ah awesome thx

Οὖτις, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link

Start with BLINDSIGHT or his new one, THE FREEZE-FRAME REVOLUTION

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 23 September 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link

Only a third of the stories had something unreal in them by I very much enjoyed Drowning In Beauty. It has a load of current authors I've been meaning to check out for years (about half of them are people I know from forums and goodreads) and it's a relief to say they're all very strong. A few of them are very funny and the last story is super fucked up.

The one that appealed to me most in a fantasy way was Damian Murphy's story about the woman who collects incredibly obscure videogames for systems like ZX Spectrum and Commodore 64. It has a similar appeal to the quiet puzzle moments in early survival horror games.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 September 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link

My goodreads review of it. Beware of slight repetition of above post.
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This has a load of new-ish authors I've been meaning to check out for years, so I just dropped other genre history obligations and read this. It's a very strong anthology and an encouraging first taste of many of these writers.

I don't know how to take the manifestos exactly. How much of it is serious, how much provocations for their own sake or just jokes? There's probably some references in there I didn't get. I don't have the patience or mental steadiness to verify if these stories have much to do with the manifestos but either way I try not to judge anthologies by their supposed purpose.

I was surprised by how many of the stories were funny. Yarrow Paisley's story had something making me smile nearly every page and the absurdist style caught me pleasantly off-guard. The amazingly detailed piece by Justin Isis particularly impressed me and the parts about the hand rubs and the quiet grudge match between the hostess and one of her boyfriends were so brilliant.
I'm not easily shocked but a couple of things in James Champagne's story had me thinking "oh jeezus..." with a sinking realization at just how far it was going but it's also very funny; perhaps the funniest thing in the book is the idea that the character somehow has the pants of a boy from one of the Diary Of A Wimpy Kid films and wondering how on earth he got them.

Closer to my regular habits were Damian Murphy and Avalon Brantley's contributions.
I'm not sure if Murphy was intending a parody but whatever the case it effectively evokes moody point and click adventure games and the quieter moments of early survival horror games, it's interesting the way it emphasizes the limitations of the gaming hardware but frequently describes things far beyond those limitations and makes you wonder at how much the player's imagination is filling in the gaps. It's a very nice little world in there.
The writing of Brantley's piece is very beautiful. I really don't know how accurate her language is to the period she's portraying but I wish more historical fantasy writing was this convincing (to non-scholars like me).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 September 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link

that looks really good

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 29 September 2018 08:56 (five years ago) link

It is. I've got another anthology edited by Justin Isis, but Daniel Corrick's other anthologies are probably impossible to get now.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link

I wish there was some way I could buy a print of one of Bob Pepper's sf book covers. Or any Bob Pepper art, really.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link

Otm an sf art of bob pepper book would rule so hard.

Did I tell the story of talking to a guy I know from comics (former dc editor) who ended up working for the company that does settlers of catan in the us? He told me he had a pitch there for a new board game with bob pepper art, pepper was on board, but he couldn’t get it approved.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 4 October 2018 00:08 (five years ago) link

Yeah, he mentions Milton Bradley etc. in this brief but fairly wide-ranging interview:
http://well-of-souls.com/tower/dt_pepper.htm

More in-depth---remembered Love's Forever Changes, but didn't realize he'd done so many LP covers (bunch of books here too):
https://www.coverourtracks.com/single-post/2016/09/26/Bob-Pepper---The-Cover-Our-Tracks-Interview

dow, Thursday, 4 October 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link

ooh man thanks for that interview!

Ha he did the awesome Scanner Darkly cover, I didn't realize that.

I bet the cool Avram Davidson People Under the Earth paperback i've got is him too. I'll check.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 4 October 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link

colour me intrigued

https://www.tramppress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/A-Brilliant-Void-Cover.png

Number None, Friday, 5 October 2018 08:38 (five years ago) link

That's timely, what with WorldCon being in Dublin next year and all.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 5 October 2018 08:41 (five years ago) link

Science Fiction the 101 Best Novels 1985-2010 by Damien Broderick and Paul Di Filippo

This is the sequel to David Pringle's brilliant Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels. Don't know why I delayed so much in getting this because I loved all the other similar genre guides. Main differences with Pringle's earlier guide is that it adds an extra book more, Pringle always used 2 pages per entry and this uses 2-3 pages (Gene Wolfe was the only one to get 4 pages if I remember correctly). No author gets more than one book (or book series), while Pringle was quite happy to choose multiple books by the same author. It could be said that Broderick and Di Filippo cheat by cramming in lots of other recommendations as tangents (Attanasio's Radix is given a strong recommendation in the entry for Zindell's Neverness, they lament that he was overlooked for the previous book) and career run-throughs for lesser known authors (Liz Jensen gets a bundle of her books profiled). Some reviewers disliked all this extra cramming but I really appreciated it.

Like other reviewers I sometimes suspected some books were included for being important and representative (perhaps to discuss developments in the genre) rather than the best, a surprising number of bestsellers are chosen and I wondered if this was a crowdpleasing move. Some later successes by the SF elders are chosen (including Poul Anderson, Vance, Vonnegut, Ballard, Moorcock, Le Guin, Aldiss) and many other reviewers felt these entries were just out of respect to the legends of the genre. Possibly some writers were chosen out of respect for their short fiction?
Since I haven't read a single one of these books and cant read the minds of Broderick & Di Filippo, I cant say how honest the choices were.

I normally welcome dense writing but when I read reviews, I rarely have the patience for it and sometimes feel like a traitor for this. But a lot of the descriptions are really confusing. They insist that science fiction rarely has much actual science in it but I was frequently lost with the mentions of singularity, quantum sciences and other such things. In a guide like this, which will probably attract newbies as much as huge SF fans, I felt they should have been more accessible like Pringle was. But I enjoyed the writing more than most people seemed to, I thought there was a glee to it.
My biggest complaint is that the type size is too small, making the book much more difficult. Even if you're not fond of ebooks you might want to consider the ebook version to save your eyes.

There was quite a lot of epic Hard SF and that's a hard sell for me despite my admiration for the scale of such stories, but Broderick and Filippo did quite a good job getting me to consider getting some of them. Half way through I was wondering how many women wrote this sort of thing and the entry on Linda Nagata answers that.

I never thought I'd be interested in Michael Chabon or Orson Scott Card's Ender series but they also sold me on those. I recently passed by Cherryh's Cyteen in a charity shop and assumed it must be one of her lesser works but according to this guide it's one of her best!

The book entries I was most excited by were...

James Morrow - This Is The Way The World Ends
Pamela Sargent - Shore Of Women
Joan Slonczewski - A Door Into Ocean
Paul Park - Sugar Festival
David Zindell - Neverness
Gwyneth Jones - Aleutian trilogy
Richard Calder - Dead Girls trilogy
Walter Jon Williams - Aristoi
Michael Moorcock - Second Ether trilogy
Christopher Priest - The Separation
John C Wright - The Golden Age (Strange to see him featured here considering what he done to his reputation since. 2012 was such a different time in the genre!)
Ian McDonald - River Of Gods
Ian R MacLeod - House Of Storms
David Marusek - Counting Heads
Geoff Ryman - Air
Liz Jensen - My Dirty Little Book of Stolen Time (along with a bunch of her other works discussed)
Carol Emshwiller - Secret City (the crazy sounding The Mount even moreso)
Ekaterina Sedia - Alchemy Of Stone
Hannu Rajaniemi - Quantum Thief series (seemed to do interesting things with the references)

Please don't be put off by some of the drawbacks of this guide. I cant verify how good the choices are but I haven't found many better ways to aquaint myself with what has been going on in science fiction during the period covered. Speculative fiction (and maybe other genres) are perhaps getting too big for anyone to cover comprehensively and perhaps people wont be able to do this kind of thing convincingly anymore. But I pray there will be more guides like this. Fantasy really needs more top 100 guides like this because the last really good ones were in the 80s.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 14 October 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link


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