2018 US OPEN

This was extraordinary. Osaka was ice cool throughout to wrap it up. What a player!!

I need to find out what happened before. we tuned in way late.

The umpire was wrong but Serena was weirdly channelling McEnroe to get herself going against an opponent who had all the answers.

Never forget the Serena rant against Ramos (its hard to believe he will ever umpire a slam final again).

Yeah, that umpire is done. Especially if all other coaches are coaching every single point in his matches.

That was very emotional. We are so teary here. She has had to get through so much shit recently ( I mean her entire life).

This is by far the most upsetting match I have ever seen. And this awards ceremony. We are crying.

this is all very crazy and amazing

Holy shit, if every single coach is out there making hand gestures or talking to themselves or whatever, remove the coaches from the court.

I get that but there is something entitled about her behaviour (lol "we'll get through this"). The umpire made a mistake but there was such a loss of control here.

Williams was getting beaten by a better player on the day, and now hearing Osaka she can't even enjoy it. I hope she will in time.

Poor Osaka. That umpire is an ass.

Yeah, but they have been after Serena for awhile (she gets treated like shit). No one can withstand that forever. How dare they imply that she has to cheat. I would tear shit up.

And yeah, Osaka. I was like the stupid interviewer needs to just move along. Osaka can't even feel good about anything that just happened. And fuck Chris Everett too. She came off like trash.

It was upsetting. Those rules are stupid to begin with, are obviously discretionary and inconsistently applied, and it appears violations may not be well communicated to the players during the match. To employ them in this way at this time was BS. He was not only unfair to Serena, he took a big dump on Osaka's achievement and her moment.
And yeah, why did the interviewer ask that question about how the reality compared to the dream.

And of course all the anti-Colin Kap racists are so gleeful everywhere right now. What a shitshow. Osaka apologizing for winning. Christ.

holy cow

Yeah, Serena's racist haters are so happy about this outcome and to blame Serena and praise the umpire. Ugh.

Congrats to Osaka. To beat Williams in front of a parochial home crowd is a stunning achievement. Some really embarrassing behaviour from Williams tonight.

Yeah, but they have been after Serena for awhile (she gets treated like shit). No one can withstand that forever. How dare they imply that she has to cheat. I would tear shit up.

― Yerac, Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:11 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is not really the implication...

serena honestly should be ashamed, but she is bigger than the sport and she knows it. feel awful for ōsaka who played a stellar match and had to endure this BS

It is the implication. If you are not a woman (especially not a black woman) you have absolutely no clue.

Serena should feel however she should feel. I don't know how she has been this gracious for the entirety of her career. But I also feel horrible for Osaka. It was a shitshow. Tennis needs to get itself together.

ffs I felt for her so much in that moment. She knows how to lose. But to give her that violation. I would lose my shit on top of the year she has had ON TOP OF BEING A BLACK WOMAN IN THE U.S. WITH TRUMP.

I'm old enough to remember when tennis was actually a major sport and also in the era when McEnroe was fuckin wildin out all the time so forgive my if I roll my fuckin eyes at your pearl clutching kev

whether the implication was that she was “cheating” has nothing to do with gender tbh. whether there was a different threshold for men vs women is a different, fair question however. do you watch much tennis?

she got a warning for the coaching btw. no penalty. she then proceeded later in the match to smash her racquet in frustration and impugn the character of the umpire. she’s 37 fwiw.

I watch a lot of tennis. I played varsity tennis in high school even though I sucked and I have been to the US open. I live 30 minutes away from the stadium. I am glad analysis are being done about the umpire's calls and how other men have been little bitches too recently And we ALL immediately thought of McEnroe going on a performance art monologue. He was celebrated for being a bitch.

She's 37 . Wtf does that have to do with anything.

At dinner tonight someone implied that she was more upset that she lost to a much younger woman. Seriously dudes, have you learned nothing this year? Nothing?

I watch a lot of tennis. I played varsity tennis in high school even though I sucked and I have been to the US open. I live 30 minutes away from the stadium. I am glad analysis are being done about the umpire's calls and how other men have been little bitches too recently And we ALL immediately thought of McEnroe going on a performance art monologue. He was celebrated for being a bitch.

― Yerac, Sunday, September 9, 2018 12:58 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am really not sure how mcenroe’s conduct 35 years ago has anything to do with what happened today tbh

also don’t really care what someone said at your dinner party. do you filter everything in your life through these tediously tendentious lenses or is it just on ilx? it makes it hard to have a serious conversation

ffs I felt for her so much in that moment. She knows how to lose. But to give her that violation. I would lose my shit on top of the year she has had ON TOP OF BEING A BLACK WOMAN IN THE U.S. WITH TRUMP.

I'm sure this person who is literally a millionaire more than a hundred times over, and is arguably the most successful person to ever play her sport is doing okay. She's not a victim. Her behaviour sucked; she totally lost her composure when she realised she was being outplayed, and started deflecting blame from herself on to the umpire. Which is a totally normal sports thing, but no less childish when Serena does it.

It's okay to really like an athlete, and also to say that they have behaved shittily at some point.

It was just dinner; not a dinner party. I knew someone would bring up her money. It's always something. People bring up McEnroe right now because he was super egregious and Chris Everett and MAry Joe were commentating so the mind went to right to that era. But things are already being written about more recent events. Like, I am super glad you guys want to hold the fort that it wasn't sexism. Good job. Let's all tread water in life until we die.

Can we talk about how Colin Kap was a shitty football player but super rich now so what he says must be only for lols?

Kinda fitting that a tournament marked by bad umpiring would end like this.

I would say Ramos was wrong on the coaching violation (but not that wrong, given that Mourataglou himself admitted to giving instructions) but Serena did herself no favours after that. Unlike illegal coaching, where the rule has been often arbitrarily enforced, racquet abuse is a well-understood code violation and umpires WILL dock you on it. She should have known that.

The smart thing to do would have been to let it go after that but Serena went ahead and threatened his career and called him a thief.

Bad calls happen in matches all the time and the best players learn to move past them quickly. We've seen this happen with Serena so many times - she can't let go, particularly in matches where she feels she should be winning. The Williams sisters have endured countless instances of sexism and racism, but let's not pretend that this wasn't part of a long pattern of bad behaviour from Serena alone. She behaved poorly, and took away from what should have been a huge moment for her opponent.

dont know anything abt this but we should all feel free to relate dinner party conversation in any thread wtf

I think Ramos has acted correctly tbh

the first warning (for coaching) is debatable, but Mouratoglou admitted afterwards that he coached

the second warning (for racquet abuse) ALWAYS gets carried out

the third one (for verbal abuse) is justified imho, because what she said was really inexcusable (not just the "thief" comment, but especially the "you will never be on another court of mine as long as you live")

xpost he just wanted to be a condescending wank. I get it.

The illegal coaching, I have actually never ever seen a violation for that and I didn't even know it was a thing. And now that people are readily admitting that all coaches do this and even in that specific umpire's matches! And the verbal abuse,...yeah I get it was on top of the others but let's not pretend the men haven't said worse. I see Nadal even threatened the same umpire about his career. Granted, there was a ten year gap where I didn't follow tennis because it got super boring. I have to look up Serena's "epidemic"bad behaviour because I obviously don't watch enough of her to know this is a trademark. Like this is the first instance I have ever seen it. I know she has had issues at the US Open in the past. And then the change in her ranking because of maternity time off, and the french open dress requirement, and the never-ending excessive drug testing and the "she looks like a man." remarks.

kap was a v good qb for about 1.5 years

To hear it told, he is a rich, white, castro loving, cop bashing, communist, shit football player who can't even drive.

Roz otm.

deserved win for Osaka. not only this game, but she's been awesome the entire tournament.

Serena will get her record next season, the weird anger explosion could be explained from the nerves getting to that record Slam

Billy Jean King had an interesting point that due to her coach's actions Serena was penalised and yes that isn't right. Coaching probably should be allowed. But that's for another day.

How many times does Rafa get a violation for time wasting for example? Rules being inconsistently applied is a thing, and I bet even more so via racial lines. This issue will never have its day.

I bought up the McEnroe comparison bcz as a commentator he would always say you should use the crowd (never seen him play to exactly see how this worked for him) and Serena has seldom needed it but it was clear she was going to lose...and things just ran out of control for her. Or was she? I mean she had just managed to finally break Osaka in the 2nd set when this all kicked off right? If she brushed that aside and got on with it she could've won the set...there was a long way to go. And then there wasn't.

I have never seen a game awarded to an opponent at a slam final. Has this ever happened?

She broke Osaka and Osaka broke right back, which was when she smashed her racquet. Who knows what would have happened if she had kept her cool then. (Worth noting that a racquet smash also came before her outburst on match point during the 2009 semi against Clijsters).

No I've never seen anyone given a game penalty in a Slam final, but it was her third code violation. Would have been a fine or a point docked, otherwise. I have seen a player defaulted from the USO for insulting an umpire though - Fognini last year.

Right thanks. Osaka had broken back...listening to radio and looking at this through social media was a weird trip.

I hope Osaka can look back and taken even more pride. To serve for a slam in those one-time conditions and come through it is something special.

And we ALL immediately thought of McEnroe going on a performance art monologue. He was celebrated for being a bitch.

He was never celebrated for this, the kindest thing people used to do was laugh at it and turn it into some kind of a joke, otherwise he was criticized for it constantly.

He was celebrated. People tuned in to watch him lose his shit. Even Jimmy Connors started acting up.

Again, this has nothing to do with Osaka not being the better player during the match. And Serena knows how to lose.

I have never, ever seen a game penalty.

The equivalent of the umpires and tennis authorities and commentators and ex-pros laying into Serena now were not celebrating when McEnroe did it back then. Granted the general public might have been tuning into gawp and guffaw at McEnroe's antics though.

Kyrgios is widely denigrated for his antics but it draws viewers

Yes, and I'm sure the heightened circus draws in ppl.

Re: McEnroe I wonder whether he was liked for it in the US but hated for it over here. Can't see Wimbledon openly welcoming vulgarity.

a teacher friend on my TL compared this to how black students are disciplined in school. penalized for violations of rules that are arbitrarily enforced with greater frequency against black students.

serena was playing poorly a lot of this match and that frustration was not helped by ramos' nitpicky coaching violation call. the fact that he's calling a coaching violation after it was revealed that serena is drug-tested more than any player makes me sympathetic to her feeling accused of cheating.

in another universe where he gives a verbal warning about the coaching rather than a formal one, the broken racket after osaka broke her serve (assuming it still happens) should've been the only formal reprimand. ramos has tolerated tongue-lashings from men before, and finding something especially egregious about serena's words feels like trying to find justification for the imbalance of consequences. that game penalty was bush league and robbed serena of any chance at mounting a comeback, however remote given her unsteady service play up to that point. she wasn't composed yesterday, but that's a benefit of the doubt other players are given and it's not wrong for her to expect a similar benefit of the doubt.

Djokovic Gets Into Argument With Same Umpire Carlos Ramos at French Open, multiple violations did not result in docked point or game. https://t.co/qkZv2SNE7O

— Has The Umpire Been Fired Yet? (@AgentTinsley) September 9, 2018

Celebrated not equal to celebrating. I used a word easily misinterpretted. He was the "bad boy" of tennis. Heh, I look up jimmy Connors to see what he was doing and on my first page of hits is him calling someone on the court a "fucking f****t playing pusher."

Yeah, when we were watching it we just got overwhelmingly sad. We had been discussing the stupid french open dress code thing and the absurd penalty against the woman for changing her shirt on the court. The umpire just couldn't stand be talking to that way by a black woman. I am surprised he didn't call the cops on her because he feared for his life (hyperbole, yes I know, but not really.)