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it's obvious the legal system and the police are weighted against victims. this needs to change. I am for reform, not revolution. Sorry

Maybe this is why laws and courts were established. Nah, the system is corrupt; let’s all just mete out “accountability” ourselves by ostracizing folks.

― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:10 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Weren't you the one who banned Dom?

oh, whineypaws

It’s still horrible & violent & the bloodlust is not justified

Fuck off with this shit. How dare you say that women demanding justice, justice they've tried for decades to get the "proper" way and failed, and lost everything doing, after actual violence, is "bloodlust" ?

This is what happens because men have spent a very long time railroading, gaslighting, stonewalling, abusing, and shutting us up.

This is what you get.

I hate this 'cancelled' terminology. where the fuck did that come from? is that some twitter thing? god I hate the internet.

"Clearly there are some totally not famous people who have been victimized by other people pretending to be victims, with little basis. This is definitely a thing that has happened, people on the Internet etc. "

it happened to someone who posts to ILX for an "infraction" that was negligible and it still inspired bloodlust and outrageous claims in parts of the internet, yes.

I would like to hear more about the circumstances of people abusing this moment that fgti described. So far in terms of the high profile cases, the targeted men seem to have deserved it, but I think the power of this movement was that men no longer felt assured they would get the benefit of the doubt. It was scary, even for people who aren’t harassers, because they were no longer the “trusted” class and I think this is why it was effective. There is no doubt in my mind that these call outs have made would-be harassers and assailanta think twice.

I can't post any of that shit in good conscience, Treeship.

Furthermore, it's complicated... the individuals who frame their pain within the rubric of "abuse"-- when it is not abuse-- and use methods like call-outs to mitigate that pain, they're still in pain. How do you point out that their response is perhaps misguided, or malicious, without negating, and increasing, that pain? (I realize that an angry outburst I made last week is antithetical to what I'm typing now, and I apologize for that angry outburst.)

This is what you get.

I’m not referring to any direct parties involved, I’m referring to the spectacle & the spectators. This was a tangent off of celebrity worship.

going back to norm, the thing that puts a blood mist across my vision is the notion that, in achieving fame over a long period of work as a standup means that losing evrything by being called out is somehow a worse experience than what the victims have gone through

like somehow the implication being that, well, these victims, they’re just people, they have nowhere to fall down ~from~, these whiny serfs don’t lose anything but sleep while these giants of comedy lose Income, Work, Credibility, their Reputation

fuck

off

norm

I don’t normally go in for reductive binaries but jesus god that fucks me off so much

you're right about that

I cannot help but wonder in reading the showbiz apologists for celebrity sexual harassers, what they would say when asked their opinions of Subway cancelling their contract with Jared Fogle.

My god. Check out the responses of these men on the CBS board to the Les Moonves accusations https://t.co/d6BywpZKtF pic.twitter.com/gizzCjGqh3

— Amanda Terkel (@aterkel) September 13, 2018

that's really disappointing. I remember quite liking William Cohen.

The les moonves accusations are horrifying. I don’t know why he isn’t being described as an “alleged rapist” rather than harasser.

No one is crying for these people besides people who were benefitting from their fame. Norm MacDonald can also fuck off forever. (this one isn't hard since the only thing he ever did kind of funny was the Burt Reynolds impersonation and I feel like he had a weird weiner dog joke).

the problem is working out what fuck off forever means. everyone's somewhere.

that (fantastic) linda bloodworth thomason piece is a great illustration of how sexism marginalizes all women, not just the ones toxic men want to fuck (the ones in the reject pile more often than not get fucked with and stymied at every turn, NOT THAT I HAVE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE cough)

otm
sometimes we have the pleasure of being stymied AND getting more personal sexist treatment

i relish the day when men's stories no longer have the popular benefit of the doubt. i don't think we are there yet but maybe someday.

we can hope. gonna be a lot of canon cleaning first

It was a brief but memorable run at the top for Vertigo.

@ Treeship, I do have an example for you about what I'm talking about-- because it's my own story, and betrays nobody's privacy but my own-- but I'm going to post it in another thread

we can hope. gonna be a lot of canon cleaning first

Couldn't come any quicker for me.

Ok fgti. Please don’t share anything unless you feel you definitely won’t regret it (coming from an ilx oversharer). I don’t doubt that people are abusing the metoo moment for manipulative ends; I guess the kind of uncomfortable discussion is how to address thay without undermining the sea change that has been the force behind this movement, ie, giving the benefit of the doubt to accusers rather than accused. Reading about les moonves it was obvious that something serious needed to change—the things people shrugged off were horrifying

what is harpers fuckin problem

https://harpers.org/archive/2018/10/exile-4/

Whatever my troubles, I think it is an exciting moment at a time when so much has changed in our understanding of gender. I feel blessed to be a father at a time when my daughters have the means, like never before, to be safe and empowered as they grow sexually. I feel proud to believe that my sons will be among the most sensitive and sensual males to have ever walked the earth.

Yeah thanks bro.

The Sensual Sons Of John Hockenberry

Worst podcast ever

but a good Sturges flick

In my brief experience working at magazines in the 00s (I was a digital editor at a small mag with Harper’s ties), every office had a Hockenberry or multiple Hockenberrys. If not sexual harassment, non-sexual harassment was PFTC

Oh hey, remember this guy?

I am hearing that Jian Ghomeshi is apparently writing an upcoming cover story for the New York Review of Books. I only have one and not two sources, but my email is very easy to find if you have confirmation or “lol r u crazy?”

(Would love it to be the latter.)

— Nicole Cliffe (@Nicole_Cliffe) September 13, 2018

Update: I can now confirm that this is happening, and soon.

— Nicole Cliffe (@Nicole_Cliffe) September 13, 2018

Wow.

nyrb has been v. worried about the slandered innocent for years

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2015/02/05/rape-campus

I've been pissed at Harpers since their cartoon graphic cover of the women of the alt-right made them look like angelic greek goddesses.

nyrb has been v. worried about the slandered innocent for years

Probability favors the construction that someone claiming victimization is more likely to be telling truth than lying, but Every three year old has discovered how to lie, so dismissing the possibility of untruth in any aspect of human interaction is not a credible position. Can't we all agree that justice is better than injustice and proceed from there?

i've already let harpers and the economist lapse and now i've sent the nyrb a pissy yet extremely otm letter about this crap

guess i really will be living in an ilx bubble soon. good mourning!

Hmmm.

"I'm Julie Chen Moonves. Goodnight." #BB20

— Andy Dehnart (@realityblurred) September 14, 2018

That's how Julie Chen signed off Big Brother, and it is not how she usually signs off. It was a clear reference to her husband, Les Moonves, being forced to resign early this week in the wake of sexual assault and harassment allegations. #BB20

— Andy Dehnart (@realityblurred) September 14, 2018

a reference how? don't think I care what Julie Chen Moonves says or thinks

Worthless.

Harper’s also likes to publish the work of irritatingly dense probably anti-trans “just covering the story” douchebag J3ss3 S1ngal, and they had that blow-up about exposing the Bad Media Men list’s collator. I remember them maybe publishing something sympathetic to the “HIV doesn’t cause AIDS” conspirators long ago. Readings and Harper’s Index and Findings are all classic but the actual features seem like the editors are being undergraduate-level contrarians a bit too often. xps to something or someone

I am the person here honestly saying "big brother is still! on!?"

dont remember: you arent watching big brother

yeah silby that was why i was expressing disgust. the shitty media men piece was by katie roiphe ffs! and it was awful because i guess contrarianism doesn’t need editing.

VG otm on Macdonald and his Fall of the Comedy Giants bullshit

https://local.theonion.com/high-school-drama-teacher-already-has-pretty-good-idea-1829058955

Buruma: unbelievable asshole

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/jian-ghomeshi-new-york-review-of-books-essay.html

jesus fucking christ burn it all down

yeah he certainly picked one of the worst possible writers to make an already quite murky point there.

I know everyone just wants to get this one behind you, but I'm writing something on Hockenberry and Ghomeshi which means I have to read them and gaaaaaaaaahhhh. Even discounting for how wrong it is, it's just fucking boring and pointless. Hockenberry at one point just begins to list books he read in the sixties and then says that he likes Andrea Dworkin. 'More about this later'. It sounded like a fucking threat. Why on earth do we need these people in our culture?