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that's really disappointing. I remember quite liking William Cohen.

akm, Thursday, 13 September 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link

The les moonves accusations are horrifying. I don’t know why he isn’t being described as an “alleged rapist” rather than harasser.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 13 September 2018 11:33 (five years ago) link

No one is crying for these people besides people who were benefitting from their fame. Norm MacDonald can also fuck off forever. (this one isn't hard since the only thing he ever did kind of funny was the Burt Reynolds impersonation and I feel like he had a weird weiner dog joke).

Yerac, Thursday, 13 September 2018 11:39 (five years ago) link

the problem is working out what fuck off forever means. everyone's somewhere.

ogmor, Thursday, 13 September 2018 11:43 (five years ago) link

that (fantastic) linda bloodworth thomason piece is a great illustration of how sexism marginalizes all women, not just the ones toxic men want to fuck (the ones in the reject pile more often than not get fucked with and stymied at every turn, NOT THAT I HAVE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE cough)

maura, Thursday, 13 September 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link

otm
sometimes we have the pleasure of being stymied AND getting more personal sexist treatment

i relish the day when men's stories no longer have the popular benefit of the doubt. i don't think we are there yet but maybe someday.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 13 September 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link

we can hope. gonna be a lot of canon cleaning first

maura, Thursday, 13 September 2018 14:39 (five years ago) link

It was a brief but memorable run at the top for Vertigo.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 September 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link

@ Treeship, I do have an example for you about what I'm talking about-- because it's my own story, and betrays nobody's privacy but my own-- but I'm going to post it in another thread

fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 13 September 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link

we can hope. gonna be a lot of canon cleaning first

Couldn't come any quicker for me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 September 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link

Ok fgti. Please don’t share anything unless you feel you definitely won’t regret it (coming from an ilx oversharer). I don’t doubt that people are abusing the metoo moment for manipulative ends; I guess the kind of uncomfortable discussion is how to address thay without undermining the sea change that has been the force behind this movement, ie, giving the benefit of the doubt to accusers rather than accused. Reading about les moonves it was obvious that something serious needed to change—the things people shrugged off were horrifying

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 13 September 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link

what is harpers fuckin problem

https://harpers.org/archive/2018/10/exile-4/

maura, Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link

Whatever my troubles, I think it is an exciting moment at a time when so much has changed in our understanding of gender. I feel blessed to be a father at a time when my daughters have the means, like never before, to be safe and empowered as they grow sexually. I feel proud to believe that my sons will be among the most sensitive and sensual males to have ever walked the earth.

Yeah thanks bro.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link

The Sensual Sons Of John Hockenberry

omar little, Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link

Worst podcast ever

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link

but a good Sturges flick

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link

In my brief experience working at magazines in the 00s (I was a digital editor at a small mag with Harper’s ties), every office had a Hockenberry or multiple Hockenberrys. If not sexual harassment, non-sexual harassment was PFTC

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link

Oh hey, remember this guy?

I am hearing that Jian Ghomeshi is apparently writing an upcoming cover story for the New York Review of Books. I only have one and not two sources, but my email is very easy to find if you have confirmation or “lol r u crazy?”

(Would love it to be the latter.)

— Nicole Cliffe (@Nicole_Cliffe) September 13, 2018

Update: I can now confirm that this is happening, and soon.

— Nicole Cliffe (@Nicole_Cliffe) September 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 September 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link

Wow.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 13 September 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link

nyrb has been v. worried about the slandered innocent for years

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2015/02/05/rape-campus

mookieproof, Friday, 14 September 2018 01:31 (five years ago) link

I've been pissed at Harpers since their cartoon graphic cover of the women of the alt-right made them look like angelic greek goddesses.

Yerac, Friday, 14 September 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link

nyrb has been v. worried about the slandered innocent for years

Probability favors the construction that someone claiming victimization is more likely to be telling truth than lying, but Every three year old has discovered how to lie, so dismissing the possibility of untruth in any aspect of human interaction is not a credible position. Can't we all agree that justice is better than injustice and proceed from there?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 September 2018 02:12 (five years ago) link

i've already let harpers and the economist lapse and now i've sent the nyrb a pissy yet extremely otm letter about this crap

guess i really will be living in an ilx bubble soon. good mourning!

mookieproof, Friday, 14 September 2018 02:16 (five years ago) link

Hmmm.

"I'm Julie Chen Moonves. Goodnight." #BB20

— Andy Dehnart (@realityblurred) September 14, 2018

That's how Julie Chen signed off Big Brother, and it is not how she usually signs off. It was a clear reference to her husband, Les Moonves, being forced to resign early this week in the wake of sexual assault and harassment allegations. #BB20

— Andy Dehnart (@realityblurred) September 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 September 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link

a reference how? don't think I care what Julie Chen Moonves says or thinks

Dan S, Friday, 14 September 2018 02:38 (five years ago) link

Worthless.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 14 September 2018 02:41 (five years ago) link

Harper’s also likes to publish the work of irritatingly dense probably anti-trans “just covering the story” douchebag J3ss3 S1ngal, and they had that blow-up about exposing the Bad Media Men list’s collator. I remember them maybe publishing something sympathetic to the “HIV doesn’t cause AIDS” conspirators long ago. Readings and Harper’s Index and Findings are all classic but the actual features seem like the editors are being undergraduate-level contrarians a bit too often. xps to something or someone

faculty w1fe (silby), Friday, 14 September 2018 02:42 (five years ago) link

I am the person here honestly saying "big brother is still! on!?"

Yerac, Friday, 14 September 2018 03:00 (five years ago) link

dont remember: you arent watching big brother

NAGL usa (darraghmac), Friday, 14 September 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link

yeah silby that was why i was expressing disgust. the shitty media men piece was by katie roiphe ffs! and it was awful because i guess contrarianism doesn’t need editing.

maura, Friday, 14 September 2018 10:09 (five years ago) link

VG otm on Macdonald and his Fall of the Comedy Giants bullshit

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 September 2018 11:23 (five years ago) link

Buruma: unbelievable asshole

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/jian-ghomeshi-new-york-review-of-books-essay.html

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 14 September 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link

jesus fucking christ burn it all down

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 14 September 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link

yeah he certainly picked one of the worst possible writers to make an already quite murky point there.

Ludo, Saturday, 15 September 2018 06:48 (five years ago) link

I know everyone just wants to get this one behind you, but I'm writing something on Hockenberry and Ghomeshi which means I have to read them and gaaaaaaaaahhhh. Even discounting for how wrong it is, it's just fucking boring and pointless. Hockenberry at one point just begins to list books he read in the sixties and then says that he likes Andrea Dworkin. 'More about this later'. It sounded like a fucking threat. Why on earth do we need these people in our culture?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link

I embraced the freethinking spirit of Zorba the Greek when I played him onstage in high school. Was this wise?

Who the fuck cares?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link

Why on earth do we need these people in our culture?

They were media personalities. They are our culture.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link

max hedrom would not stand for it

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link

Unbelievably he returns to the Zorba the Greek story for three paragraphs later on. It does not get more interesting.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link

Why on earth do we need these people in our culture?


because toxic men are in power

maura, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link

i realize that does not exactly fit your (or my) definition of “need” but it’s the top explanation for why all these shitheads who are really mediocre anyway keep getting chances. same with the moonves board meetings. same with the defenses of shithead brett kavanagh. until masculinity gets fixed this is going to keep happening.

maura, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link

I am SO GLAD that there is now a term for this. Because seriously... this shit drives me crazy.

“The Straw Girl” a technique that “posits the existence of a hypothetical observer who is conflating things that should not be conflated. It discredits the testimony of real women by implying that other, imaginary, women are too stupid to know the difference between getting raped and having a guy be ‘creepy in the DMs.’”

Yerac, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 01:12 (five years ago) link

ian buruma is no longer the editor of the new york review of books

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link

can’t wait for his 10,000 word thinkpiece

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link

Truly a delight to see that happen. And to know Ghomeshi won't be getting any more traction.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link

I wonder if it was equal parts publishing the piece/clearly being clueless in the followup interview.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link

maybe they just want to replace him with a cheaper 25-year-old dude

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link

Wow wasn’t expecting ian burma to be fired. Good, i guess-/that article showed bad judgment

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link

meanwhile, there's this, which is horrifying: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a0513c899c30

(the "faith" part is the most horrifying because it is pretty emblematic of the lengths people go to make bullying/harassment seem not just plausibly deniable, but plausibly deniable to the point that if you indicate what it is actually happening, you look ridiculous.)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link


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