Elon Musk

no, it's not. it's a real hardware difference.

but you pay for it, right? and it lets you access a better power-up than you would have if you did not pay?

it's not a power up. the car needs electrical energy to run. you need to pull that energy out of the grid somehow. and there are real limitations to what you can conceivably do at most homes. Tesla has "supercharging" stations in public places where you can pay to charge with the larger, more expensive hardware that is required without needing to buy, permit, and install your own.

What about the additional battery capacity component?

I don't know. there could be warrantied maintenance implications tied to the amount you're allowed to discharge the battery.

― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:44 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp that's a good point, they could just be suspending the warranty for charge/discharge greater than the maximum in the specs

― sleeve, Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:50 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"warranty penalty", sorry

― sleeve, Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:50 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know for sure, but it isn't a given that it's based entirely in arbitrary greed.

they might have qual and/or failure analysis data that suggests allowing X deeper discharge will cost them Y in warranty repairs. So they could just be covering the calculated cost of this. ant this is also probably about marketing on some level. some other big player could have similar batteries, but claim better engineering based on that one spec (while taking the higher failure rate hit). By having a higher the option at a higher cost, they can win or compete in spec battles while also discouraging widespread adoption of something that will cause more failures and ultimately be a bit more wasteful.

What about the additional battery capacity component?

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 September 2018 6:27 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Could mean one or other if these

Tesla’s come in a variety of different battery capacity options, think fuel tank sizes. The actual battery’s (cells) aren’t that expensive so somewhere along the way they just started shipping out cars with the full pack, because standardised manufacturing it cheaper, but the customer only gets what they pay for. Tesla can Flick a switch and can upgrade your car.

Alternatively they are extending the depth of discharge. Typically if you want a long lived lithium ion battery you want to use the middle of the charging range, typically not using he top 5% and bottom 10-20%. It’s not that bad to go out of that range a few times so an easy win for tesla to enable this. A few cars will end up not being able to start next day and it may cost a battery pack if a car sits and the bottom of the state of charge range.

it's not a power up. the car needs electrical energy to run. you need to pull that energy out of the grid somehow. and there are real limitations to what you can conceivably do at most homes. Tesla has "supercharging" stations in public places where you can pay to charge with the larger, more expensive hardware that is required without needing to buy, permit, and install your own.

― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:26 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I... I'm comparing it to video game cheat codes. I know how real life works.

you compared two things, I think, to justify reaching a similar conclusion about the two things. I was pointing how the comparison wasn't good, and you shouldn't reach the same conclusion.

i.e. supercharging, unlike a benefit from a game code, is not built into the already owned hardware. it requires additional hardware.

goddamn my guy the only conclusion i was trying to reach was a good goof based on a good goof upthread

plus if it were a video game the superchargers would be built into the game's code obviously and access would only be available via dlc unlock but that's beside the point

the point is, tesla is for cardorks with money and i have neither means nor a drivers license so i will take every opportunity to clown this company named after a famous misogynist mustache boy genius

The difference in different Tesla levels is the software that unlocks performance - they don't have different motors or anything. If you buy the 70 you get X performance vs the 85 or the whatever number comes next.
It's like all Dodges coming with the Hellcat motor and they just restrict it to 4 cylinders all the time if you buy the base level.

Owners know that going in, though, TBF.

Even the battery performance is DLC:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cuts-price-model-s-60-75-kwh-battery-upgrade-2000/

feels like we're talking about two separate things here

the supercharging thing, I think the idea is that you have to pay some amount of $$$ to supercharge the car at one of those little Tesla charging stations. turning that from a paid to a free service is no big deal since I assume Tesla fronts the cost of that power

the battery thing is something else, what I'm gathering here is that all the models have the 75 kWH battery, but if you didn't get the "upgrade" package then only 60 kWH of this is "unlocked", and the rest can be activated at a whim from Tesla HQ

like Ed said there may be some reasoning behind this. correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a car with a "13 gallon tank" actually more like 13.5 for this very reason? that said it still feels ultra shady and I'm not exactly giving these guys the benefit of the doubt right now

Next step: a micro-transaction every time you use your blinkers (the bougie pigs who drive Teslas won't have to worry about this)

we are talking about two separate things here but they're both included in that Tesla message - they're temporarily unlocking the battery upgrade and giving you free 'gas'

actually I guess that is bogus b/c if they're trying to "protect" the battery on the 60 kWH models then they aren't doing it on the 75 kWH ones

given the quality of their software I wonder how long until some kid figures out how to root the thing and just unlock the max performance/battery mode. for example with the Nintendo Wii someone figured out real quickly how to get all the Virtual Console games for free and I knew people who would charge $20 to do it for you

The supercharging limit is mentioned in the firmware revelations twitter thread linked above that maybe only I read.

pic.twitter.com/jCw9KkynSo

— ato̧̕m̀͡i̴̷̛c̨͝t͝҉͡h̷҉u̵̶m͜͞b͏͝s̀́ (@atomicthumbs) August 24, 2018

goddamn my guy the only conclusion i was trying to reach was a good goof based on a good goof upthread

plus if it were a video game the superchargers would be built into the game's code obviously and access would only be available via dlc unlock but that's beside the point

the point is, tesla is for cardorks with money and i have neither means nor a drivers license so i will take every opportunity to clown this company named after a famous misogynist mustache boy genius

― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:22 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this thread already has some great stuff in it. the 'good goofs' just make the thread feel too decadent overall. can a mod please lock the 'good goofs' behind a paywall? noticed some 'good goofs' over on the US politics thread as well, if you're not too busy.

eh, I am being a dick. and I get why the politics threads are the way they are. I just wonder if we can't clown elon more coherently. maybe focus on the way he hurts the environment instead of stoking misguided consumer outrage that only harms rich tesla owners, anyway. too much ilx today. bye \Morbs

Do not tell me to focus. I will never focus. ilxor dot com. i live for this

Semper Post, Will M!

Who he?

― Named locally as Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:40 AM

Simpler times...

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/8bbfo2/all_it_takes_to_total_a_100000_car_is_a_little/

jfc

so, long story short, a Tesla gets into a minor fender bender, owner finds out that it's not just structural damage but part of the chassis made by aluminum. Tesla does not sell a replacement part, meaning the car is effectively totaled. just lol @ this dumb company

NEW: A British diver who was part of the Thailand cave rescue is officially suing Elon Musk for calling him a pedophile https://t.co/tMEcoCPdWO

— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) September 17, 2018

This is the final paragraph in the section titled: "Musk's False and Defamatory Accusations" pic.twitter.com/seTVWG4C8i

— kadhim (＾ｰ^)ノ (@kadhimshubber) September 17, 2018

Who he?

― Named locally as Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:40 AM

Simpler times...

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 September 2018 23:13 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Indeed, kinda weird to see that every time I open this thread.

"i fucking hope he sues me"

"notice he hasnt sued me yet"

gets sued

can't help but think of this

https://i.redditmedia.com/lqiMsIwmx4WrS1lwWQElOUGvp3-VeEJX5Hj1emmu4gk.jpg?w=1024&s=c0725013f4b3bab4d243846f6a1d8a53

lol yes

So he's sueing him for £57,000?!?!? WTF?

is there some kind of SpaceX press conference going on? part of my FB feed is drooling all over the guy again :(

a plane full of billionaires exploding will truly be one of the greatest stories ever told

SpaceX says Japanese billionaire Yusaku Maezawa will be first private passenger on a solo rocket trip around the moon. https://t.co/hI4IPMXGeI

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 18, 2018

https://i.imgur.com/gylpqoC.png

pedo guy shouldda stupped up. £57,000?!?!?

~musk reads

is this one of those situations where you sue for costs and the judge adds punitive damages?

muskreads.jpg

Hate to say The Simpsons did it first, but this whole thing makes me think of
"The letter in Krusty's pocket states that a rocket (codenamed Exodus) is being populated with humanity's "best and brightest", and will be launched in order to preserve human civilization on Mars."

(the rocket to the moon thing, obv)

omg trayce

xp except we all end up on the rocket with Pauly Shore, Rosie O'Donnell, Newt Gingrich etc.

god i would pay so much money to see newt gingrich die on the moon

he would pop nicely

DOJ seems like a bigger deal than SEC?

BREAKING: Bloomberg News has learned Tesla is under investigation by the DOJ over public statements made by the company and CEO Elon Musk last month on taking Tesla private, according to two people familiar with the matter.

— David Meyers (@davidfmeyers) September 18, 2018

def

has anyone seen Grimes in the last few weeks

On the moon already?

dead from shame iirc

Buried on the moon.