i mean from a downstate POV she shit the bed upstate
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 September 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
FWIW I can also say from personal knowledge that a shitton of organizing and boots-on-ground hard work went into knocking off most of the IDC candidates (the dems that caucused with the Republicans, with Cuomo's blessing), and that that work has been going on for well over a year.
Also I have heard from people involved in Teachout's past campaigns that she's not great at campaigning outside of her natural demographic.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
probably the ideal situation is combo of incredibly charismatic candidate with a lot of media attention AND intense boots-on-ground organizing (e.g. AOC)
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
Yeah, the IDC result seems positive? This made me smile as well: https://www.vox.com/2018/9/13/17854554/andrew-cuomo-new-york-president-2020-no
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 September 2018 16:02 (five years ago) link
my line about him is that he thinks he's bulletproof but really he just buys up all the bullets
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link
all but two of the ex-IDC people are gone, which is great. If dems can actually pick up a couple seats from republicans, some shit can really get done. Of course, who knows whether Cuomo will find some way to buy off a few of the anti-IDC winners -- a couple of them, like Alcantara, were actually pretty progressive when they got elected.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link
You've all definitely watched NY politics longer than I have, but couldn't the result also not might put off Cuomo and other Dems from repeating what the IDC did? I mean, a couple of them did get reelected, and reading about Simcha Felder, he seems to be from a pretty conservative district anyway, but it seems like it would be a political miscalculation to move towards - and past - the middle again.
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 September 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
Presumably he does it with money. xpDid the joint caucus control the chamber? Would it presumably flip to the real Democrats if no seats change parties?
― faculty w1fe (silby), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link
What is the story with the IDC? Why are NY state Dems so cozy with Republicans?
Asking as someone who is very unfamiliar with NY politics. That whole situation is pretty baffling to me.
Does it just boil down to whole-scale corruption? Or is it part of long-term political/cultural trends in NY?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
The IDC did disband a while back I think, but another Dem called Simcha Felder caucused with Republicans as well. He cleared his primary challenge. So Dems need to flip a seat.
Reading up on it on Wikipedia, and it's kinda incredible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Senate#Recent_history It's been a ten-year debacle.
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 September 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
The IDC "disbanding" was meaningless imo, it was a late game maneuver to try to save their seats.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
I don't feel any simcha about felder winning
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, September 14, 2018 11:22 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's complicated. Even people familiar with NY Politics have trouble fully explaining it, but Cuomo very much enabled the situation and yes there is definitely corruption involved.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
Simcha Felder's district is gerrymandered such that no one could beat him except probably another orthodox jew (BTW, that gerrymandering is ALSO enabled by Cuomo!)
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
BTW, not all the IDC members were conservative dems. Alcantara (who rightfully lost last night) was a left-wing activist and organizer who backed Bernie. But, according to her, the mainstream dems wouldn't meet with her when she wanted to run for state senate. In swooped Jeff Klein, who offered her money for her campaign (some of which comes from pretty sketchy sources). She basically sold out without fully realizing that she was selling out, imo. In her mind, this was a way to give progressive latinx groups a seat at the table, but the larger effect was to make sure republicans controlled the state senate and most of the progressive agenda couldn't get passed. Nonetheless, she had to be pushed out as a result of making this alliance. Who you take money from and who you align with matters, not just what's in your heart.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
I mean, if I had to sum it up, I'd say the IDC was a creation of moneyed-interests with the support of Cuomo who wanted a bulwark against the naturally left-leaning tendencies of the state's polity. It was a clever way to reduce the otherwise natural power of progressive dems in the state legislature. I'm sure it won't be the last device of its kind.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
Simon, just thinking out loud here, but there might be another reason why people who think the opposite of you are rarely proven wrong...
― Frederik B, Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
god fuck off
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 September 2018 19:12 (five years ago) link
maybe if we duct tape you to a ceiling your blithe condescension will actually have a reason to sound like it's from on high
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 September 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
lol
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
I'll help
― sleeve, Friday, 14 September 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link
Haha
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 September 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/ubkngrbgbh8phpsy3rtf.jpg
See? Look, you can post!
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 September 2018 23:46 (five years ago) link
(Also, it’s freaky that that image is now _16_ years old.
https://compete.kotaku.com/15-years-later-heres-why-a-gamer-was-duct-taped-to-a-c-1796679499)
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 September 2018 23:47 (five years ago) link
Meanwhile, a couple local libertarian types decided to roll up on the DSA happy hour earlier this evening
(I think this is a first as the social events tend not to get trolled)
In an uncharacteristic show of strength, both libertarians in Portland showed up to crash our happy hour 😂😂😂. 2 of them showed up to support free markets; over 50 of us showed up to support free people. pic.twitter.com/V0FuFZtX2M— DSA Portland Oregon (@PortlandDSA) September 15, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 15 September 2018 05:25 (five years ago) link
Email in from DC DSA steering committee that O'Keefe is likely to release another Project Veritas vid soon targeting DSA DC members that are fed bureaucrats
Fun!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 September 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
hooooo boy
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 17 September 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
how is that dude not in jail
― sleeve, Monday, 17 September 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
I’m guessing that means they’re going after Allison then
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 06:16 (five years ago) link
DSA strikes me as a much lower value target than Planned Parenthood or Acorn. Maybe he’s a little desperate.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link
hyup xp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
The new Tribune looks interesting:
https://tribunemag.co.uk/relaunch-preview
Some excellent contributors.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link
ah look its my twitter TL in the culture section #proud
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 22:11 (five years ago) link
https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2018/09/18/22990739/burgerville-employees-go-on-strike-on-national-cheeseburger-day
Interesting tactics
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 20 September 2018 04:51 (five years ago) link
Good comments from Spain's Borrell
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/donald-trump-urged-spain-to-build-the-wall-across-the-sahara
― nashwan, Thursday, 20 September 2018 08:03 (five years ago) link
into this piece
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/9/18/17876024/mcdonalds-strikes-walkout-me-too
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 20 September 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:16 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Allison of DC DSA was fired this week
https://www.gofundme.com/activist-fired-for-protesting-trump
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
Yup, was just about to link that:
And if you don't know why you shouldn't lose any sleep over someone yelling at Secretary Neilsen this should clear that up. https://t.co/Lzl7tmcwdK https://t.co/YD6tWNi6zs— Charles, Star of MicDicta (@Ugarles) September 25, 2018
If you can, please donate to my friend @allisongeroi, she was one of the super brave protestors who shamed DHS Secretary Nielsen in public, and got fired from her job for it months later https://t.co/r3SB51Z3Wr— hell woods (@floozyesq) September 25, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 15:39 (five years ago) link
Pretty into these two short articles, one presenting a taxonomy of the current US left, and a second that responds to the first.
https://theleftwind.wordpress.com/2018/05/13/the-us-left-has-only-four-tendencies/
https://theleftwind.wordpress.com/2018/09/26/how-many-tendencies/
From the second, which of the two I prefer:
regardless of all protestations to the contrary, the US left owes more to the period between Occupy Wall Street and Blacklivesmatter than it does to the Russian or Chinese revolutions. While we may ideologically claim adherence to any historical movement we wish, practically a movement is limited by the organizational makeup and strategies of the movements that came before it. We may do what we want with this body we have, but sadly we have inherited our skeleton.What we must understand about this skeleton the left has built on is that, as opposed to the 50s, the 30s, or the 1910s, the current era of radicalism is coming from an incredibly narrow range of organizations. Activist orgs and intellectuals were the two forms of activism which predominated on the left, with some interplay between these two groups and electoral advocacy. In terms of what union work there was, it was scant and often guided one directly into the nexus of liberal organizations, and as for mutual aid, it was often focused on supplying the milieu with half-molded bread. This came to a peak at Occupy, and after that the slow collapse of the left of the Oughties became a far more rapid process. In its place we began to see a series of different tendencies, marked by their shared oppositions to what they viewed as the failures of the last decade. But these new tendencies did not spring up completely new; they were built on the organizations that existed before them. This led to a strange interregnum: the left was increasingly disgusted with itself after Occupy but its reactions could only manifest through the same kinds of organizations as the ones who produced Occupy. A kind of magical thinking arose, where replacing the seemingly mundane forms of organizing associated with the anarchist left with some other form would lead to immediate success.
What we must understand about this skeleton the left has built on is that, as opposed to the 50s, the 30s, or the 1910s, the current era of radicalism is coming from an incredibly narrow range of organizations. Activist orgs and intellectuals were the two forms of activism which predominated on the left, with some interplay between these two groups and electoral advocacy. In terms of what union work there was, it was scant and often guided one directly into the nexus of liberal organizations, and as for mutual aid, it was often focused on supplying the milieu with half-molded bread.
This came to a peak at Occupy, and after that the slow collapse of the left of the Oughties became a far more rapid process. In its place we began to see a series of different tendencies, marked by their shared oppositions to what they viewed as the failures of the last decade. But these new tendencies did not spring up completely new; they were built on the organizations that existed before them. This led to a strange interregnum: the left was increasingly disgusted with itself after Occupy but its reactions could only manifest through the same kinds of organizations as the ones who produced Occupy. A kind of magical thinking arose, where replacing the seemingly mundane forms of organizing associated with the anarchist left with some other form would lead to immediate success.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
Here’s Sophia on RevLeft Radio talking about the one of those she wrote: http://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/marxist-center
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
man, fuck Bhaskar Sunkara
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:11 (five years ago) link
??
― gbx, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
http://paydayreport.com/jacobin-publisher-accused-of-reneging-on-wage-deal-in-takeover-of-british-magazine-the-tribune/
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
their statement in response:
https://tribunemag.tumblr.com/post/178442272996/tribune-statement
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 September 2018 00:39 (five years ago) link
Fuck the Jacobin. They have all that money to be benevolent buyers, but can't pay their writers?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 27 September 2018 08:48 (five years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/3eAcdwNhwj— shut up (@itsbedtimebitcj) September 27, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 September 2018 10:44 (five years ago) link
i'm not sure the name is worth that much, i'd have started a new magazine
― ogmor, Thursday, 27 September 2018 10:56 (five years ago) link
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:26 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the guy that wrote this is an acquaintance and honestly i don't trust his reporting as truthful anymore
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
he's had a years long vendetta against sunkara over this issue because of a pay dispute
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
good podcast episode here on the elections/movements dialectic from a gang that imo knows what they're doing
https://radiopublic.com/healing-justice-podcast-WznLEJ/ep/s1!fd2df?fbclid=IwAR3rV8WrJnbyNJs9ZNFNPTmZ_telcU-N3ftA73ikV4RXMZkG2nKj6-wjZkY
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
Nice ep here from Ryan Cooper et al about eco-socialism, criticisms of “degrowth,” and then sequel into discussing Jonathan Chait’s recent column
https://leftanchor.podbean.com/e/episode-9-champagne-ecosocialism-jon-chait-join-dsa-feat-jeffspross/
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 15 October 2018 00:12 (five years ago) link