the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

Londoners don't know they're born.

however, everyone else knows londoners are born, unfortch

</chippy provincial twat>

it's near watford, right?

No (Jack) Fulton's Foods, no credibility, London!

I still think about the massive bags of reject fish fingers I would get for pennies from Jack Fulton’s. Loved that shop, even if my local one was in poxy Headingley.

The ones that were joined together like a pair of trousers were a particular prize.

Fishpants.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/06/article-2023164-0D52712400000578-721_468x286.jpg

(L-R: Jack Fulton, Geoffrey Boycott)

The good captain never seemed to have those fish fingers that disintegrate into squelchy pieces when you lift them off the tray.

L-R - Edward Heath, Alec Douglas-Home

l-r: ant, dec

Things must be getting dire, I can understand over 75% of what’s being discussed in this thread again

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/d8/9d/eed89d48aaee1b52b0d8875045ebeb44.jpg

just for you, Tom!

He’s the opposite of a fish avenger!

yeah i was gonna say

Scourge of the Cods

The fish finger trousers were not like those trousers.

he could have used impulsive or violent spasm.

Aye, but I think it's worth making clearer that this isn't an intellectual position that these people can be argued out of - it's what gets them hard.

The fish finger trousers were not like those trousers.

― Tim, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 10:17 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fish groin

xp
it has been a day of deeply troubling and unwelcome imagery though, just when thought Vince Cable's erotic spasm wasn't bad enough, along comes a yeti-mushroom to tip you over the edge!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/18/bmw-shut-mini-plant-brexit-no-deal

"for a month", my arse!

Bank Holimonth

"hmmm..do they usually weld the doors together and add electric fences to the perimeter during lulls between contracts?"

/1 Unions have negotiated a week on full pay and three weeks on “banked pay” for the post Brexit-day shutdown which is being attributed to disruption “in the event of a No Deal Brexit”

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) September 18, 2018

dunno what "banked pay" is.

in reality it probably means "not in your bank account, mate!"

at the risk of repeating myself

lol we're all gonna die

The chances of Labour suddenly deciding to back a people's vote in the next six months or so look reasonably high given McDonnell's comments today, especially as the likelihood of a pre-Brexit election becomes increasingly remote and the pressure from Momentum members and unions becomes more intense.

I'm not totally into that idea tbh, why bail the Tories out? (well yeah to stave off The Great Depression etc, but I still want to see them go down with their ship as it were - even if it means rationing and eating the bark off trees!)

But one positive would be seeing the Chuka wing losing their main raison d'etre, and having to pretend they represent some different policies to the Tories for once.

Also you have first past the post, so the Tories would be back 10 years later.

I'm sure Bannon's Bowel Movement or whatever it's called will be lobbying hard for UK PR soon enough.

jobbying hard morelike amirite

you're correct

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People who live in council houses should be made to feel proud of their homes, Theresa May will say later.

The PM will announce £2bn to build new homes in England, in a attempt to remove the "stigma" of social housing.

wtf is she even talking about? there are 15 year waiting lists and a housing crisis getting as bad as the post-war one. The only stigma is the social one on slumlords who they've made life so easy for. The graph tells the full story of how to make a housing crisis by abandoning social housing and leaving it to private sector failure, again.

It is interesting to see that c.1968 was the peak for social / state housebuilding.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/58255000/gif/_58255383_eng_wales_births464x297.gif

the real "baby boom" was 1920 apparently.

but the late 60's was a notable period as well!

interesting, so in the UK the baby boomer generation wasn't really a baby boom at all (apart from immediately after WWII) - the peak was at the beginning of gen X

People who live in council houses should be made to feel proud of their homes, Theresa May will say later.

The PM will announce £2bn to build new homes in England, in a attempt to remove the "stigma" of social housing.

I don't even know where to begin with any Tory having the gall to come out with that statement. It's like a serial murderer saying, "Won't someone think of my victims for a change?"

I'm not totally into that idea tbh, why bail the Tories out?

At some point, as the chances of an election recede, Labour could start to see it as their best chance to inflict a government-shattering defeat on them. Particularly as pressure is growing on the leadership from both wings of the party.

Obviously there isn't a cat in hell's chance of the Tories agreeing to it unless it's somehow forced upon them. Labour's current plan, which seems to be to vote against any deal the PM comes up with, isn't likely to be warmly received by the electorate if the alternative is crashing out without a deal. But that might be the same with a people's vote as well.

People who live in council houses should be made to feel proud of their homes

'should be made' is a weird, vaguely threatening way of framing an allegedly positive policy

The most charitable reading I can muster here is that administrators and policymakers should be coerced, not the inhabitants themselves. But it comes off as a telling slip more than anything.

Aimed at the media too. If it isn't it should be.

you are more likely to be considered lucky to have a council house in this current era. May is projecting her own prejudices here in the usual ham-fisted manner, and it isn't a secret that her party is ideologically opposed to social housing, and some people haven't forgotten Cameron's "petri dishes for creating Labour voting bacteria" quip a few years back, wankers!

can't find a good thread about unions but does anyone else despair at the state of them? I'm in unison and my friend works for them and is constantly bemoaning how old fashioned, useless and unresponsive they are. we've had consultations going on with possible strike action looming but they've been on the back foot the entire time while failing to act on anything I and other members have said, my employer is running rings around them and will already have planned for industrial action, while other action is dismissed out of hand, emails not returned etc. reforming them from the inside seems incredibly difficult and I wonder if it would be better to start afresh.

A bit short + probably not helpful, but about 8 years ago a colleague joined Unite, and they were totally useless and the company we were at laid him off for having the temerity to join a union!

Can't see May's words as being any different from her saying ie. "people should be made proud to use food banks".

I'd be sceptical about how many local authority bids would be for pure social housing, and not these housing Association trusts or whatever, where the rents can be much higher than council properties.

this will surprise no-one here, but I have a friend who lives in a housing association flat in Hackney and has had to be moved around a few times because of structural issues and some of the rents that the temporary accommodation landlords are charging are fucking ludicrous even for London (he isn't paying them, the association is, but that's coming out of taxes somewhere). it makes no sense economically, it's completely political, of course New Labour were no better either.

I'm sort of a beneficiary of the right-to-buy scheme since my mum bought our council house and sold it 3 years later for 3x the price she bought it (which got me out of living in the council area where everyone hated me) but while it was a benefit to our family the failure to replace the sold-off stock was an awful policy for the country. not that this is news to anyone

can't find a good thread about unions but does anyone else despair at the state of them? I'm in unison and my friend works for them and is constantly bemoaning how old fashioned, useless and unresponsive they are. we've had consultations going on with possible strike action looming but they've been on the back foot the entire time while failing to act on anything I and other members have said, my employer is running rings around them and will already have planned for industrial action, while other action is dismissed out of hand, emails not returned etc. reforming them from the inside seems incredibly difficult and I wonder if it would be better to start afresh.

I'm not in a union but the people who are where I work are constantly criticizing them for being lily-livered, ineffectual and instantly backing down at any and every confrontation with management.