Tom Waits - Real Gone

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WTF? No one told me he records with Marc Ribot before.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 10 September 2004 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

That's actually something that bugs me about the album, it's got Ribot all over it and not in a way that they complement each other. There's Tom doing his thing and look- that's Marc doing HIS thing almost like they are ignoring each other, each doing his "thing"

― Thea (Thea), Friday, 10 September 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I noticed that myself - but the two or three tracks I have at high quality seem, weirdly, to be more synthetic than the crummier ones, in which the guitar and vox are totally dueling. I threw on an old tape of rain dogs, and they ribot and waits' styles are oddly disparate too, but on my rain dogs cd they seem to mesh more easily. perhaps this is some argument for high production value?

― x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Friday, 10 September 2004 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Also I just read that and it sounds retarded and insane, but it's true so fuck you allya hataz.

― x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Friday, 10 September 2004 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm i dont agree with you guys i think this is one of his best albums. i think his voice and vocal melodies sound just exquisite. I think Ribot's arrangements compliment Tom's melodies quite a bit. Ribot has become tastier as a player since the last album they made together and i can honestly say that he's playing the SHIT out of his guitar on this one. I love it to bits. At times it seems like a "Marc Ribot(featuring Larry the Mole and Tom Waits)" album but thats when Tom is doing the percussive vocal thing which sounds fantastic to me. Seriously my favorite songs are the ones that sound like Larry, Tom and Marc by themselves. The only critisizm i have is at times the lyrics are lame and ive never felt that way about a TW album before. But when he's on.. he's fucking on! What an album!

― big chaki (chaki), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I got a tr00 copy today, a listenable copy, and chaki: I eat my qualms. I dig dig dig this album.

― x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

wear a cowboy hat while wearing it its awesome

― big chaki (chaki), Saturday, 11 September 2004 08:14 (nineteen years ago) link

wear a cowboy hat while LISTENING to it. its awesome (im drunk)

― big chaki (chaki), Saturday, 11 September 2004 08:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I have an idea for the next FAP. Aside from the movie FAP. Which reminds me, will post more on that soon.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 September 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Chaki OTM about Ribot playing the fuck out of the geetar on this album. It has some of the dirtiest guitar tones ever, and he really pushes that teetering-on-the-brink-of-going-out-of-tune thing to the limits on here. I also gotta say the vocal percussion shit turned out WAAAAAAY cooler than I imagined. Some of the gentler moments on here are really DARK too ("How's It Gonna End"). I've only just started listening today, but this is turning out to be one of my favorite of his albums of all.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

The way he says 'are you ready?' at the beginning of "Metropolitan Glide" remind me of Lil Jon.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"Circus" sounds like it could be the audio from a scene from a Tim Burton movie.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Perhaps, but "Circus" is definitely my least favorite track. He shouldn't be writing spoken word pieces about down-and-out carnies at this late stage; it sounds very much like a Waits parody.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

But totally agree re your description of Ribot's playing above.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

"Circus" is definitely not my favorite piece on the album, but I think it fits the emotional topography of the whole of the thing really well, it makes for a good stable interlude-ish thing between what are essentially the first and second "act"s.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I think a lot of his albums work their best if you can imagine them as the music from some sort of post-apocalyptic emo stage musical.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually though, I just realized what the chimey thing in "Circus" reminds me of - some of the incidental music from the Harry Potter movies ha ha.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I would very disappointed in Tom if he stopped writing about down-and-out carnies.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

OMG. I think I'm going to really, really like this album. It's like the gutter Medulla.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

And Marc Ribot is in full fake Cuban mode, at least on Hoist that Rag.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah its SOUNDS fantastic. although i keep getting the sneaking suspicion the songs are all waits tropes.

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Hooray!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

full fake Cuban mode

thats one pretty fucked up fake cuban!!

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

what are the good ballads? I am undecded.

― Tous Les Garcons S'Appellent Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you heard either of the Los Cubanos Postizos records? (you should!)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

me? no. hang on...we have the prosthetic cubans here. i'll dig it out.

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"postizo" rocks

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Woah, you just have unheard Marc Ribot albums lying around?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, so it seems. i'm glad you pointed me at it Jordan.

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm going to play it again now.

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually bought it today! So far it reminds me of Mule Variations, but I never liked that album a whole lot. I have yet to hear it properly all the way through - I'll report back later.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I read this as Waits having died.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sins of my Father" goes on FOREVER and doesn't do anything. I like Waits as a lyricist but really it's all about the music and delivery, so fuck this track. "Hoist That Rag" is ace.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

He mentions Wisconsin at least twice on the record. It keeps making me thinking of Werner Herzog's movie Woyzeck. They both have a lot of dirt, carnies, and twisted midwestern Americana.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Where have I heard of Woyzeck before? Isn't that the thing Waits based "Blood Money" on or am I barking up the wrong tree?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been listening the FUCK out of this album. My favorites at the moment are "Hoist That Rag" (I think he got Marc Ribot really drunk before recording this), "Sins of My Father" (a very good autumn watching-leaves-turning-colors piece if ever there was one), "Don't Go Into That Barn" (which I like to think of as some kind of sick prequel to "Murder In the Red Barn"), "Make It Rain" (Ribot's solo on this is one of my five favorite parts of the whole album), and "Day After Tomorrow" (one of the sweetest songs he's ever done).

xpost ha ha that's kinda a lot of what I like about "Sins of my Father" DL

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The sound quality difference from crummy scratchy mp3 to well-mastered album version for "Don't Go Into That Barn" made a huge deal of difference in how all the kickass vocal percussion stands out.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Where have I heard of Woyzeck before? Isn't that the thing Waits based "Blood Money" on or am I barking up the wrong tree?

No, you're sort of right, that must be why it popped into my mind. Blood Money was the score for a play called Woyzeck which happens to be completely unrelated to the movie.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

It may grow on me. You're totally OTM about Don't Go Into That Barn though - do you know that actually happened in Luton?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Woyzeck (the robert wilson/waits play) isn't based on the Herzog film?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Money is based on the socio/political play "Woyzeck," originally written by a young German poet Georg Buchner as a spare, cinematic piece in 1837 and inspired by the true story of a German soldier who was driven mad by bizarre army medical experiments and infidelity, which led him to murder his lover. Waits and Brennan wrote songs for an avant-garde production of "Woyzeck" directed by Robert Wilson. "Woyzeck" premiered in November, 2000 at the Betty Nansen Theater in Copenhagen and went on to win Denmark's version of the Tony for Best Musical last year.

I don't know, maybe Herzog based his movie loosely on the play?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't know about that Woyzeck production! As far as I knew, the only Waits/Wilson production so far had been The Black Rider! Must investigate.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

It's also an Alban Berg opera. Both the Herzog film and the opera were based on a play from way back, I believe...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "How's It Going To End" is my favourite so far.. I'm sure I can hear some kind of tuba or trombone in there but it must be the bass.

I hate that "Are you ready" sample on Metropolitan Glide, it sounds totally out of place on a Waits record.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

As far as I knew, the only Waits/Wilson production so far had been The Black Rider!

they also did Alice, based on Alice in Wonderland.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG THERE WAS A PLAY FOR THAT!?!??11!?

I swear I am the worst informed #1 Tom Waits fan ever.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll take the Berg opera in a heartbeat.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "How's It Going To End" is my favourite so far.. I'm sure I can hear some kind of tuba or trombone in there but it must be the bass.

It does sound like a random tuba note everything now and then. Maybe bowed upright bass?

I can't remember which track it is right now, but one of them has what really sounds like a trombone or trumpet melody, and I have to assume that it's vocal.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate that "Are you ready" sample on Metropolitan Glide, it sounds totally out of place on a Waits record.

Dude, that's Tom!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Or do you mean that 'are you ready' way in the background...huh, hadn't noticed that before. :>

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

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