the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

The Tories can get to say Labour are betraying the people next week.

they might be able to put their factional war on hold for a few days- but I doubt it, and it will take some work to polish that chequers deal turd into something shiny and impressive!

They're going to do that even if Labour vote against the final Brexit deal, as has pretty much already been pledged. Problem is this 'will of the people' stuff falls down pretty quickly when you're proposing to... ask the people.

The firestorm from the Tory press is going to be immense but if you're going to let them dictate policy you might as well have Blair back.

I'm trying to work out what is positive about this Starmer move when it isn't going to improve the likelihood of a snap election and a 2nd ref isn't happening any time soon??

it sent a thrill down the leg of every centre-left journalist in the country

productivity in centre-left publications already up 25%!

gotta get some of that precious #FBPE constituency back from the Lib Dems

Ultimately it's about keeping as much space on the fence as possible, a decline in youth turnout next time is still a significant threat to Labour given how narrow some of their majorities were last time. Whether that would outweigh losses in Leave-voting seats is the question, as is whether those seats would end up voting Labour anyway.

It's also probably about Starmer sending up a flare for any future leadership contest as well, let's not be naive here.

if he ran without Corbyn + McDonnell approval - I don't see any reason why he wouldn't lose as heavily as Smith did and it would take some dramatic changes to the makeup of the membership for that to change any time soon.

the current makeup of the membership = mostly sheep like me who will blindly vote for whatever slate of antisemites, dickheads pro-hepatitis campaigners etc.. that Momentum tells us to.

lol

I was thinking more post-Corbyn than against Corbyn, no one will run against him now.

May's "slash corporation tax to the lowest in the G20" is a repeat of the "Singapore Model" talk from the period of her pre-election pomp. I thought they might be pressured into reversing somewhat on austerity by events and Labour's luxury Castles in the sky, but it seems they are going to double down on it.

this is the "new thinking" among brexiters iirc i.e. singapore/Britannia unchained/etc. Really it's just an acknowledgement that no deal means the only levers they have left are those that seal the pod bay doors on their own people

there's me thinking these are reasonable people and they might actually be thinking about unpopular domestic policies other than the brexit clusterfuck of their making. I think this is going to be the grimmest Tory conference in history in terms of what they are offering the electorate: We might have to ration insulin, but don't worry, we'll bring the army in to burn the corpse piles and so on.

Should probably ban the use of ‘Singapore model’ - which implies a much heavier hand in state planning and, crucially high-quality, low-cost housing for anyone who wants it - and replace it with the Wild West tbh.

this "Singapore model" of shit food and shit weather, a rental sector with abodes not fit for human habitation, is a massive slur on Singapore.

at least singapore's police state is a competent one ffs

i hear the food's nice

have visited, can confirm

even the food at the zoo is good! police states work, folks

finally making progress on this board

control-f "gulags"

Hard to see how it can work with only lazy British proles as a workforce.

prole offices

for too long, our lazy british proles have been getting caned on legal highs and cheap cider

for now on, under our new sinapore model, they'll be getting the cane if they so much as try to cross the road without waiting for a green light

I think that is the full range of Priti Patel's repertoire.

Singapore and Hong Kong are the two most regularly cited points of comparison and they're both city states, inconcieveable that would translate to the UK and it wouldn't benefit most Leave-voting areas one bit. London and other metropolitan elitist hubs might do alright (or at least some people living there would). It's the most blatant Brexit con trick imaginable and it might be a pertinent line of attack for either Remain or Labour more generally, certainly more so than repeating "bargain basement tax haven" again and again.

The more than ever deregulated City state of London + its crumbling, decaying provinces of no real importance, was probably not what May had in mind when she was talking about the "Singapore model" or if it was, she's even more evil than I thought and would definitely have trouble selling that vision to Hartlepool!

good speech

still no pledge to scrap UC though, at this stage no consulting is necessary to find out if it is wasteful, cruel and a complete fuck up!

Lots of praise for the speech here.

The olive branch @jeremycorbyn has extended to @theresa_may could save or destroy her. Just to be clear, his offer is what some in her cabinet, and many on her benches, in Whitehall, in Brussels and in EU capitals have been mooting as a Brexit compromise that would solve both... pic.twitter.com/PrENJaQZLp

— Robert Peston (@Peston) September 26, 2018

is there a party that can, tho?

unionists

lol i wz gearing up to post "step forward gerry adams in our* nation's hour of need"

*subject to clarification

cometh the hour, cometh the man

The Tory Brexiteers unite the politics of the 1950s with the economics of the 19th century, daydreaming about a Britannia that both rules the waves and waives the rules.

how groansome and clunky... but sort of good as well!

Labour respects the decision of the British people in the referendum. But no one can respect the conduct of the government since that vote took place.

Lol, such a good line. Not sure I agree, but it's a good line.

Really good speech! I wish a Danish Social Democrat would say the same things :(

it seems to be putting the jitters up the very ppl a strong opposition party should be scaring the shit out of, but let's be honest - he's no Gerry Adams!

Not sure I agree

if you can find anything worthy of respect in the government's conduct since the referendum, please feel free to elaborate

there's only one gerry adams tbf

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1:18 PM - Sep 26, 2018

nice!

Really good speech!

The "solidarity fund" lines were so clean and simple. Good stuff.

if you can find anything worthy of respect in the government's conduct since the referendum, please feel free to elaborate

― heteroflexible pansexual polyamorous relationship anarchist (bizarro gazzara), 26. september 2018 16:19 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, it's not that, it's more the first half of it. I really don't know enough to say what Labours strategy on Brexit should be.

Wait... does Wes Streeting think the Winter of Discontent and the General Strike were one event? https://t.co/mR0lLJ0ADZ

— Jack Saundrs (@jack_saundrs) September 26, 2018

No one good has ever been called Wes - discuss.

Fucking idiot. Why did these people join the Labour Party in the first place?