Rolling Cannabis Politics Thread

tight

when come bring gra$$

Looking forward to my upcoming trip to California

and your return therefrom

Could be

lax indeed

woot woot

I literally just read a story the other day about TSA being dicks in CA, and referring everything they find to local police - despite local police not giving a shit. As it said, you won't get arrested, but you might miss your flight.

oh will I tho *lights doobie*

hahaha

is it risky to mail a used (but thoroughly cleaned) herbal vaporizer from CA to PA? is this the sort of thing where you could run afoul of paraphenalia laws?

no you'll be fine. i've mailed cannabis from CO to PA numerous times and it went smooth.

yeah i’m not sending any herb just an old unused vape for a brother who just had a surgery and can’t handle any coughing

thx for the tip

If you have a friend with a vacuum sealer for freezing food, you could double bag it to be extra safe.

that's a good idea too

You guys have balls of steel

i don't!

this is like a tabletop dry herb vaporizer so i was able to clean it pretty well and you can always claim it's for non-cannabis use, right?

i can't find any specific legal advice on sending these in the mail though, everything i am finding is advice on mailing e-cigarettes and oil vaporizers

People sell used ones on Ebay pretty regularly, I don't think you'll run into any issues - it's totally the head shop 'for tobacco use only' situation.

From what I've read, send US mail, not UPS or FedEx (US mail requires a warrant to open). And make sure it goes first class, with a tracking number, so you know if it's been "delayed" (or seized). You'll probably be fine, like 99.99% chance, but keep in mind we have a psycho prude in charge at US justice with a particular weird thing against pot.

believe me i’m aware

that sounds like good advice too

ty all

Recreational up for vote in Michigan and North Dakota

I think Michigan is the key to it all, fwiw. Last domino.

Why?

fwiw, both states border Canada, so they have little to lose and much to gain by reaping the taxes on legal pot

I agree with JIC, cause:
- it's big (10 million people)
- it's kind of a swing state, going Clinton twice, Bush twice, Obama twice, then Trump
- it would be the first rustbelt midwestern state, with no real hippie / western / coastal liberal stereotypes like CA, NV, CO, etc.

If it passes here (which it should) I really think this will open it up for other midwestern states, if only to get in on what could be serious weed tourism. There are millions of people within a couple hours drive in IL, OH, IN, PA, WI, and MN, lots of whom already spend time here in the summers.

Still illegal here in Texas

There are millions of people within a couple hours drive in IL, OH, IN, PA, WI, and MN, lots of whom already spend time here in the summers.

- it would be the first rustbelt midwestern state, with no real hippie / western / coastal liberal stereotypes like CA, NV, CO, etc.

Yeah, these two, at the least. And some (all?) of those states already have MMJ to some degree, which will likely get more liberal with a more legal neighbor. Plus, iirc, the legal limits being proposed in MI are ridiculously high (so to speak). Here's that article I posted a while (and several posts) back:

https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/whats-legal-and-what-isnt-under-michigan-recreational-marijuana-plan-slideshow

i walked by a cop while smoking a joint last night for the first time since legalization in canada. felt kind of nice. even tho it was p much decriminalized already in vancouver and nothing would've likely happened in the status quo ante, it still felt quite liberating

I saw a couple of dudes walking down the sidewalk the other day rolling a huge joint as they walked and talked, and it's *not* legal here.

I do find public use a little grey area annoying, or at least as annoying as cigarette smoke in public is. And my daughter says kids vaping in high school is a huge problem. I've heard it from teachers, too. So like drinking I guess (if they haven't already) they're going to have to designate and enforce places for smoking, as it becomes more commonplace/open.

i can't smoke in my building so it has to be public for me

i guess I'm just very used to having lived in scotland most of my life and the response you would get from a cop for brazenly smoking weed in public there - i.e. you would end up at the police station for sure

Jules: Hash is legal there, right?
Vincent: Yeah, it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal. I mean, you can't walk into a restaurant, roll a joint and start puffing away. You're only supposed to smoke in your home or certain designated places.
Jules: And those are hash bars?
Vincent: It breaks down like this: it's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and if you're the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. It's legal to carry it, but that doesn't really matter 'cause get a load of this, all right? If you get stopped by the cops in Amsterdam, it's illegal for them to search you. I mean, that's a right the cops in Amsterdam don't have.
Jules: Oh, man! I'm going, that's all there is to it. I'm ****ing going.

https://politics.theonion.com/inconsolable-jeff-sessions-tries-to-commit-suicide-by-s-1826462420?

rec just passed the Senate Budget Committee in NJ . we getting there

Just did my first shopping trip in SF, and first TSA sneak at SFO. Good times!

going into a weed store for the first time is a trip

Stugots

xp

I thought it was pretty funny. These newfangled products, vape pens and whatnot, are pretty nuts. Taking some adjusting.

lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/california-marijuana-stink.html

i will take the smell of good weed over the extant garbage/dog shit/car exhaust aroma anyday

that said, folks gotta update residential zoning laws if the smell from a grower is genuinely that intense.
sounds suspiciously quid/agg tho; i grew up next to a tobacco farm and then, later, a cow farm and you get used to that shit, quite literally.

Shit is intense though - I remember walking by a block long grow operation in Portland and the smell was amazingly, overwhelmingly strong.

pfft just attach a huge cardboard tube with a huge dryer sheet stuffed in it to the grow operations, prob solved

Too much of my neighborhood smells like ginkgo trees, which are a bit like a cross between dog shit and vomit that someone ate and then threw up on a pile of dog shit, and then stepped in. Weed smell would be a marked improvement.

Speaking of which, my friend and I took one of those lil' Go Cars in Queens a couple of weeks ago, and the cupholder was essentially piled with pot ash. The car smelled like a college dorm room during a hologram Pink Floyd show.

Here's a line for you:

I asked Mark Kleiman, of the Marron Institute at New York University and one of the most sought-after experts on drug policy in the country, what the future looked like. He foresaw a world in which pot, legal in ever more states and eventually at the national level, will get cheaper and cheaper. The expected tax windfalls would become less likely, unless pot is taxed at the level of potency rather than sale price. The trend toward vaping means there will be greater demand for oil, and if you can melt everything down for oil, pot will be less expensive to produce, because at that point you can grow it like corn.

“You can produce all the intoxicant used in a year on 40,000 acres,’’ Mr. Kleiman said. “That’s 20 family farms in Iowa.” Eventually a joint could cost a nickel; Nabisco will take over edibles. “You will have pot grown in Iowa, processed by Cargill and sold by Amazon,” Mr. Kleiman said. “No one will make money except Jeff Bezos, who always makes money.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/nyregion/legalized-pot-isnt-going-to-save-us.html

that's like saying no one will buy craft beer because they can just down malt liquor

Legalizing marijuana will have advantages beyond just bringing in taxes. For example - it will help with the fentanyl/painkiller crisis. It will help with our prison crisis. It will resolve the hypocrisy of having alcohol, a far more addictive and dangerous drug, legal while cannabis, a far safer and naturally grown plant, is illegal. On that tip, they have found that in places with legalized marijuana DUIs have gone down, teenage drug use has gone down, and many other wonderful effects. Also the government should not be in the business of telling adults what plants they can and cannot grow.

^^ all resoundingly otm

that being said, oversupply is tough for growers, ounces are down to $28 here in Oregon (they were $40 a couple of months ago).