Sterling Cooper: a Mad Men poll

XP...and has no balls.

but yeah agree w calzino that Don, Betty, Bert, Pete, Joan, Peggy, Roger, Ken and Sally were all just pitch perfect

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Posted: October 12, 2018 at 3:00:49 PM
advertising executives regularly prostituted lower level staff to clients in the 60s?

maybe you know something I don't idk

You’re thinking too narrowly here and literally

Men in power constantly pressure women into things that are belittling, especially women who are vulnerable or feel helpless and act out of desperation when men typecast them

I feel like the joan arc is a little more complicated as opposed to the peggy arc in some ways

I don't disagree with that at all, but what bothered me about that turn in her arc was that it *was* literal prostitution, with the management as pimps, Jaguar as the john, and Joan as the whore. It was very, very explicit and heavy-handed. Otherwise I thought the show did a really good job of portraying the dynamic you describe.

I mean Lane literally calls Pete a "grimy little pimp" a few episodes later, and he is not exaggerating.

I'm actually just finishing up a re-watch of the entire run and frankly the whole thing was kind of incredible from start to finish. There's just nothing close to this well written and performed on tv anymore and I really miss it. Even the often circular plotting (despite the resolution of immediate conflicts no one ever really seems to resolve their central problems nor does that seem like a possibility) starts to seem like a commentary on TV plotting in general as a kind of endless purgatory.

Also, I think it's probably important to place that Joan plotline within the context of the firm trying to get their first car account. It's repeatedly noted as a dirty business: "Well, you said you wanted a car."

Finished rewatching recently, would not have been a worse show if Don had died in a car crash around the beginning of S4 IMO. Every other character had become so well developed returning to his misery over and over distracted from them.

Re Joan being sold and stuff that happens to women generally, I’ve reached the point now where I think, just because it hasn’t been talked about, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It probably did happen, just women weren’t able to/didn’t want to talk about it publicly. I mean, agents have been letting this happen to actors very recently so why shouldn’t it have happened in other types of job 50 years ago?

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On the other Romanoffs not great so far.

it looks/sounds awful

At the moment, I'd say it's Weiner's 1941, but there six eps left so it may improve?

Luckily they're incredibly and pointlessly long

I really hated myself by the end of the Corey Stoll ep, and the performances were both pretty good. Eckhart was wooden as usual in the first.

is anybody else watching the romanoffs besides you three dudes who hate everything by default

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Tom's way of saying anyone who doesn't like Top Gear and comic book shite!

I loved Mad Men!

You're right, you do like some stuff. Simon doesn't though. Chuck likes some stuff - eventually.

At the moment, I'd say it's Weiner's 1941, but there six eps left so it may improve?

Every TV auteur has his John from Cincinnati, etc., etc.

We’re loving The Romanoffs so far. I normally find anthology series insufferable, but here the format holds up. Deserves its own thread, but I’m too tired atm.