Smashing Pumpkins: Fresh Fruit or Rotten Veg?

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it's a really good song. definitely get early 00s vibes (maybe it's just that "we're in the middle" hook)

flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:01 (five years ago) link

I'm not sure Corgan could ever be accused of "not giving a shit" when it comes to his music - if anything he has the opposite problem: he gives too much of a shit. Even in the periods considered to be his worst, I'm sure he was doing what he felt was his best at the time.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link

one minute clip of "Wound" alt-take / instrumental

#Machina pic.twitter.com/oGU4NSwL8t

— Smashing Pumpkins (@SmashingPumpkin) October 29, 2018

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link

I'm not sure Corgan could ever be accused of "not giving a shit" when it comes to his music

glad you're back, i was talking about his music videos

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link

if you could avoid ever referring to one of my posts again that'd be great thanks

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link

That "Snail" performance with Chino Moreno is cool.

jmm, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link

just realized yesterday that the end of "Window Paine" is a direct reference/rip/reprise of "Rumble" by Link Wray. just two chords - D to E - but the strumming pattern and Jimmy's drumming make the reference explicit.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:21 (five years ago) link

My neighbors are always blaring Rush through the walls and I swear there's a part in one of their songs that's almost the exact same as the end of Window Paine.

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link

Man, I love your neighbors. Now I have to dial up Window Paine and see if I can solve this mystery.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link

Reminds me a bit of certain passages toward the end of 2112

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link

Yeah, there's definitely a Rush track that it reminds me of, but I can't think of what it is. Great to see Brad being his usual charming self, too!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link

if you could avoid ever referring to one of my posts again that'd be great thanks

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 30, 2018 11:39 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link

also don't misgender me you shithead

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link

Okay, then just pretend that I wrote "their" instead of "his", since I ain't psychic. Still FP'd you anyway for calling me a shithead, trying to start an argument and generally being aggressive. I think you need to calm down.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link

i asked you not to address me and you persist in doing it!!!

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link

Okay, then just pretend that I wrote "their" instead of "his", since I ain't psychic.

fuck you for this btw

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link

Brad, since coming back I've been posting sporodically and without incident until this sudden and to be honest totally unwarranted bout of aggression from you. Again, calm down, because you're acting like a twat.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link

feel like turrican should've been banned longer, perhaps forever

flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link

Okay well, I'm going to get on with talking about music and I'll leave you to talk about me and Brad to yell at whatever cloud he doesn't like the look of today.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link

you misgendered me again

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link

Ah, sorry, that wasn't intentional.

*they

(I wish there was an "edit post" function on this thing)

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link

new song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O80Kwt4zcxs

can't think of a precedent in their catalogue for this tbh! maybe some of the Teargarden singles? oh boy...

flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link

lmfao at Billy's "woah oh oh whoaa whoaa whoaaaaa" vocal being put thru a Leslie

flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link

this reminds me of ELO and Magnolia Electric Co. (!!)

flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link

Talking about Teargarden - I know that he's pretty much given up on it and junked an entire recorded albums worth of stuff in favour of his solo LP and the "reformed" Pumpkins, but it's such a shame that he hasn't seen it through to completion. As much as I didn't rate it on the whole, there were still a couple of things I liked on Monuments... and the pre-Oceania standalone singles.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link

I'd love to hear what that canned Monuments... follow-up sounded like. A Zwan box would be the ultimate, though!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link

in 2009 (lol), he said Teargarden would be 44 songs documenting "the Fool's Journey," which I always thought he followed through on, perhaps unintentionally: if you add up Monuments, Oceania, and the singles, you get about 44 songs, and as far as documenting "the Fool's Journey" - well, Billy definitely followed through on that one.

One track from the scrapped Monuments followup (Day for Night) was used as an instrumental intro to some wrestling show. "Roustabout":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTG0gMkdNs

Also keep in mind that "Solara" is a Monuments/DFN holdover - he wrote about it quite a bit when he was doing that SP Nexus blog in 2014.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link

wasn't "the spaniards" also supposed to be on day for night

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link

if you add up Monuments, Oceania, and the singles, you get about 44 songs

34 by my count, so I guess Day for Night was supposed to be 10 tracks?

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link

yes and yes

flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:23 (five years ago) link

So, he was >< this close to finishing the thing and chose not to! Weird.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link

Was there ever a tracklisting for Day for Night out there before the release got canned?

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link

no, just a long list of songs and song fragments worked on. not sure if it's still up but you can find all of them on the Nexus blog. it was 30+ titles at least, but that's including Monuments stuff

flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link

"alienation" is really good

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 12 November 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link

in fact the last four songs are generally really inspired

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 12 November 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link

how does it flow as a record? three singles so far are all pretty different

flappy bird, Monday, 12 November 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link

it doesn't really flow at all, it's definitely a rebranded ep

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link

right, so not even the jarring but thought through sequence of MCIS? just a collection of songs?

flappy bird, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link

yep

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link

epic

https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/billycorgan.jpg

flappy bird, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link

it says...something that Billy finally gave up on making a "proper album" or overarching experience *just* as he finally managed to wrangle most of the original lineup back together, but I'm not sure what

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:18 (five years ago) link

this is pretty easily billy's best album since Zwan at least, very pleasantly surprised by this. Knights of Malta and Solara are the only weak tracks and even then neither is that bad (at least relative to a lot of their post-reunionn material). i hope billy can keep things together long enough for vol. 2

ufo, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:34 (five years ago) link

idk if i consider it as good as oceania (which i really turned around on after the sp poll) but it's encouraging for sure

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 13:11 (five years ago) link

Oceania still doesn't do much for me, it's not terrible but the melodies don't stick with me at all

ufo, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 13:20 (five years ago) link

that's exactly how i felt about it for the longest time! not sure what changed

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link

I should give it another try, it just washed over me blankly the half-dozen or so times I tried to give it my full attention

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link

Can’t get over the drumming

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link

yeah mike byrne is terrible, it's a hurdle

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link

local modern rock station is playing the new one that is vaguely in the 1979 vein, it's pretty damn good!

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link

that's "silvery sometimes"! it's a great song

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link


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