Dynasty, s3: Canadian Politics 2018

haha

way too much coverage of cannabis in the local papers here, ranging from informative to useless knowledge that most stoners have known their whole lives
this is a great event for sure but i fear the normalization of pot will be craft beer part 2

I have never smoked so probably the comparaison is wrong but craft beer saved me from Molson Export and Heineken so I don't see why it would be a fear.

Primo quality buds going for $100/ounce on Commercial Dr. Something is happening.

Ha, I wasn't going to be the one to ask. xp

I look forward to the Heineken of cannabis, whatever that may end up being. Probably some kind of cheap, disposable vape device from China.

well there's def. the cannabis infused beer as

xp
oh it definitely will be like craft beer, but I'm not clear on what's bad about that? you mean just like annoying hipsterization? or mediocre weed with names like Indicapocalypse or bizarre hybrids you don't even want to smell let alone smoke?

there are a ton of drawbacks to Quebec's approach to this, but I have to say, the SAQ near my apt is pretty fantastic for a govt-run alcohol store (at least in terms of stock if not price), so I'm curious about the new weed stores

more seriously, glad to see that there's some activity on the amnesty/pardoning front

I never managed to get into pot, but this is something to be proud of, and it goes to show that – disclaimer: everything is relative, I know, I know – Canada remains ahead of the curve when it comes to making sensible decisions about 'moral' matters. I'd probably roll myself a celebratory joint if I weren't in the UK right now.

First thing I think about when craft beer comes to mind is SMEs brewers doing their thing and being able to be independent from the 2-3 ridiculous consortium owning everything. I'm down with that model happening in weed production.

That being said, if I recall correctly, Molson is heavily unionized and the shareholders + c-suite have a really good relationship with the union.

xpost to rob - you mean just like annoying hipsterization?

^ yeah, that and some of the attitudes i've seen by norms using it now. like one lady saying joints were bad but she would eat edibles, while in a pot store - fuck off

a very little price to pay when all things are considered

mediocre weed with names like Indicapocalypse or bizarre hybrids you don't even want to smell let alone smoke

yeah ^

problem with edibles too is they are not always properly assigned the actual mg count, so for first time users they could get really fucked up. i have a high metabolism and edibles basically make me enter green hell

Well one good thing is that now the exact composition of any product will be known to the buyers - like you see in Washington State.

well to all my fellow smokers i'll fire one up 4 ya today

In addition to $100 ounces they were selling six pre-rolled joints for tenner. Can't beat those prices.

Yeah but us 'normies' now have a dude at a store telling us the best way to make proper edibles.

xp

Amazing

so is this a celebratory move or just a move to counter the uncertainty some stores are probably feeling. Lotus for example hasn't really given a clear answer to whether they think they'll be kaput soon

no shade on normies van, just i find the anti-smoking aspect of smoking pot to be a little whack

iirc, QC won't sell edibles, so I imagine Canada Post might be busy soon

Normie here. I've smoked maybe five times and never learned how to roll a joint. I'll probably give it a try soon but expect to feel very foolish as I figure this out.

Is there an ilxor who wasn't a smoker who going to try now that's it is legal?

jmm - get the roller device for like 5 bucks, makes rolling a lot easier

@Van Horn Street

definitely way more tempted now - the idea that if i wanted to i could just walk into a store. i was never going to buy drugs from a dealer

Same with me. I doubt that I'll be doing it very often, but I at least know how to buy it now.

so is this a celebratory move or just a move to counter the uncertainty some stores are probably feeling.

Here in Vancouver we had roughly 80 stores already. Competition had already reduced prices to $5/gram. A lot of them closed yesterday and were selling everything cheap as can be and throwing in shop fittings with purchases. It's "Everything Must Go" time. Previously it was a city bylaw infraction which the city were not too keen to actively enforce. Now it's a federal crime with presumably more severe penalties.

edibles aren't actually legislated for currently iirc. are there any dispensaries in Vancouver that sell them? none of the ones i know do.

also yeah, such a weird thing that legalization is actually making the situation for buying and smoking cannabis worse in vancouver - and no doubt elsewhere, since laws differ between provinces

The ones I use sell tons of edibles. West End Medicinals on Bute St, KushKlub on Commercial the Dispensary on Thurlow Street.

also yeah, such a weird thing that legalization is actually making the situation for buying and smoking cannabis worse in vancouver

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:10 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is exactly it

two people in my family are in the cannabis business, both live in los angeles and i think things are slightly better down there

i'll give bc/canada the benefit of the doubt for now because legalization has just happened, but so far, it's off to a very rough start

i hope they get their act together

one thing i'm disappointed in is that strains that are currently available, good/recognizable ones, will be harder to come by now that it is legal

i'm assuming that strains will now be subject to regulation and gov't approval before allowing them to be sold here (vancouver/bc), which puts a huge barrier on a lot of US growers or even smaller good ones

this would follow if the craft beer analogy is considered accurate, since good craft beer is so hard to come by here

granted it is all subjective, but still, very underwhelmed

yeah fa otm

I like Bernie a tonne but I hope Doucet can actually, you know, win: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ottawa-votes-in-profile-clive-doucet-has-his-bernie-sanders-moment . (I don't even think he's wrong about the tornado tbh.) He'll probably need a small miracle but maybe enough of a showing could push Watson a bit to the left on housing and the environment. Are you in Capital ward, jmm?

Yep, Capital ward. You too? Honestly, I've paid so little attention to the councillor race it's shameful. I'm going to skim through this thing tonight and make a call: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/capital-ward-ottawa-municipal-election-2018-1.4792213

I'm in Somerset. I thought I remembered you saying you were in the Glebe/Old Ottawa S area. I like my incumbent councillor Catherine McKenney a fair bit. She wrote this: https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/mckenney-how-we-can-bring-more-affordable-housing-to-our-city

how we feeling, ontario?

well, at least I never have to hear about the fucking 6ix dad ever again

i've got some great news for you https://globalnews.ca/video/4584411/ontario-municipal-election-norm-kelly-says-6ix-dad-persona-will-go-on-despite-election-loss

"super-popular"? He lost!

Mixed signals on Toronto's Trump Index: Mammoliti lost, Goldy drew 25,000+ votes and finished third.

Watson beat Doucet 71%-22%, with 10 candidates splitting the remaining 7%. This is... OK, I guess, but I think I'm actually a little angry and disappointed that Doucet didn't start campaigning earlier and harder. Apparently, he didn't even take his campaign that seriously until he noticed that young people were signing up to get involved. I guess we'll probably have another four years of pandering to condo developers combined with some real support for art and culture and parks and cyclists. Hopefully the new council can push for some action on housing. We had no real Trump/Ford hard right/populist option, which I should be thankful for. My councillor was re-elected with about 75% of the vote. Guy I went to high school with was elected in Stittsville, which is maybe the most notable surprise.

I haven't seen school board results yet. These actually seem p important these days.

I don't know anything about this 6ix Dad business.

OK, both Erica Braunovan and Lyra Evans were elected to the school board; they should fight against the Ford govt's agenda as well as anyone will.

I gather that Vancouver elected a former NDP MP as mayor. Vancouver municipal politics seem confusing to me: aiui, you don't have wards and do have political parties?

Goldy drew 25,000+ votes and finished third.

People are justifiably worried about this, but to be honest, it was a *really* distant third (3.4%, I think?), and given that her actual politics aren't a million years removed from Rob Ford's (just replace the populist dogwhistles with uncloaked xenophobia), I was expecting her to do better than this. Seeing Rich@rd $pencer get teary about it on Twitter was pretty sweet.

Is there any word on overall turnout yet? I imagine it has to be low, everyone I spoke with was demoralized throughout the entire campaign.

Lowest since 2006 in Toronto.

vancouver has an at-large system, so no wards, and municipal parties and slates. there were lots of independents and new parties running after the collapse of Gregor's Vision Vancouver party, so in our ballot we had to choose 27 names (for council, mayor, parks, and school board) out of a list of 158 names. Kennedy Stewart was a nominal independent, but obviously actually NDP, and he affiliated himself with a new local party called OneCity.

the at-large system is truly terrible. if every voter voted "rationally" for only one party and every party ran a full slate, there would only be one party on city council every time. There has also been research about how candidates with south asian names consistently underperform the rest of their party slates, and this election east asian candidates underperformed their parties, and none were elected to city council.

That's definitely different, yeah.

good/dispiritng overview of the TO results https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-meet-the-new-toronto-council-same-as-the-old-toronto-council/

Today in Conservative humour

(make sure you watch the video)

I have a new job where I work with mostly well-off suburbanites in their mid-30s to early 40s and it's been a crash course in depressing reactionary trash :/

Wow @ that video.

Btw, it was hard to focus on Canadian politics last week with all the madness going on worldwide but ugh @ CAQ: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-chador-religious-symbols-1.4876212
and no surprise here but the repeal of Bill 148 in ON is still a disappointment: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-open-for-business-bill-148-repeal-1.4874351