Outside of Roseanne being an asshole, which is non-negotiable, I just can't accept the idea of someone having their own series - like, literally their life's work - taken away from them, especially given how hard she seems to have fought for creative control during its 90s run. I mean, The Conners might be fine, but there's something too creepy and Before Watchmen about the concept.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 18 October 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link
artists' having their life's work stolen is a feature of media under capitalism, I'm not gonna shed any tears over this particular artist's situation.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 October 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
No tears! Just feels creatively disrespectful and creepy.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 18 October 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
If they really wanted to honor the show, they would have replaced her with someone who looks vaguely like her like they did with Becky.
How sick would it be if like suddenly Margo Martindale was Roseanne and they barely mentioned it.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
^ lol
I just can't accept the idea of someone having their own series taken away from them
but Roseanne Barr had the Roseanne TV show taken away from the creator of the Roseanne TV show in 1988*, you've had time to come to terms with it
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link
They should've just had Sarah Chalke take over her part
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link
roseanne didn't create the show roseanne, she was cast in a sitcom developed by carsey-werner which was then written to conform with the comic persona she had created. she later became an executive producer on the show and had creative input, but was never the main creative driving force of the show
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link
* for the crime of having not been too lazy to write a series bible, write and produce a pilot script, and to learn writers' names, all of which she refused to do and was then surprised that someone else received a credit per WGA rules
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
well yeah, but the show is also called "Roseanne". at least in 2 1/2 Men they replaced one of the men. "The Connors" feels like its only place in history is some "17 Quickly-Cancelled Sitcom Spinoffs You Probably Forgot About!" listicle on Buzzfeed
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link
should have just replaced roseanne with kirstie alley
― mookieproof, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
interesting detail from a 1989 article on Matt Williams's ousting from the show
Looking back, one writer said that "the feeling among the writers and producers was that we (still) had a show with John Goodman (who plays Barr's husband). But ultimately ABC owned the show and had the final say. And to them it was keep the star at all costs."
― Number None, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
Remember when they fired Valerie Harper from Valerie? That had me reeling at the time, but honestly I think it was a better show with Sandy Duncan.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0738973/?ref_=ttep_ep1
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
Is there an online resource anywhere with ownership stakes in tv shows detailed? I know sometimes a production company owns the show rather than the network, and it seems like I've heard of rare cases where the star owned their own show.
― WmC, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
Desilu owned I Love Lucy while it was airing (sold everything to CBS in 1960 though)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link
sandy duncan was so cute. I liked the show with valerie harper too. but I liked it with her.
― akm, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
"The Connors" feels like its only place in history is some "17 Quickly-Cancelled Sitcom Spinoffs You Probably Forgot About!" listicle on Buzzfeed
Sara Gilbert, the producer of last year's Roseanne revival, saved the (let's say generally) eight-month contract jobs of hundreds of people who would have otherwise been out of work for a year. Whether The Connors is good, sucks, is better than Roseanne or doesn't get another year, that's the very excellent reason that it exists.
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
this is sublime
― j., Friday, 19 October 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link
they should have said Roseanne was off "investigating pizzagate" and over the course of the season you come to realize it's a euphemism for "chocked to death on a piece of sausage"
― President Keyes, Friday, 19 October 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link
Sara Gilbert, the producer of last year's Roseanne revival, saved the (let's say generally) eight-month contract jobs of hundreds of people who would have otherwise been out of work for a year. Whether The Connors is good, sucks, is better than Roseanne or doesn't get another year, that's the very excellent reason that it exists.― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
True, but they could have, instead, wrote a brand new sitcom with the same actors playing similar parts, but with all-new character names and a different location. Kinda like "Dusty's Trail" out of "Gilligan's Island"
― Mark G, Friday, 19 October 2018 14:26 (five years ago) link
That is a much worse idea than the The Connors tbh.
― circa1916, Friday, 19 October 2018 14:29 (five years ago) link
also, the "saving the jobs" part involves making a show that ABC are willing to pay for, not spending six months writing something on spec that they absolutely wouldn't get paid for at the end, while the hundreds of crew and production staff still remain out of work
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Friday, 19 October 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
I guess. There is that.
I never saw "Gilligans Island", don't know if we got it here, but I do remember "Dusty's Trail", could sing the theme if you like...
― Mark G, Friday, 19 October 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link
yeah they don't have the time or inclination to start from scratch. there might not have been scripts written but they were probably close to pre-production & planning when Roseanne was fired.
― flappy bird, Monday, 22 October 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
never ever heard of Dusty's Trail until now
― akm, Monday, 22 October 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
were there multiple Gilligan's Island spinoffs? I don't remember that title but I remember watching a spinoff (and enjoying it - Gilligan's Island rules)
― flappy bird, Monday, 22 October 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
the gilligan's island episode of roseanne is really bad
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 October 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
dusty's train does not appear to be a spinoff btw. and doesn't have other actors outside of bob denver
The Connors is more like AfterMASH.
― akm, Monday, 22 October 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link
Or Major Crimes
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 22 October 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
AfterMAGA
― President Keyes, Monday, 22 October 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
You have no fucking idea what Roseanne is going to say at the end of this video. Not a clue. Whatever you’re thinking, it’s weirder than that. pic.twitter.com/lfzXMnrj7s— Nick Laparra (@NickLaparra) June 27, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 16:21 (ten months ago) link
sounds right
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 16:24 (ten months ago) link
He has a lot of personality traits that are usually coded as feminine.
― treeship., Tuesday, 27 June 2023 16:25 (ten months ago) link
and tits
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 16:32 (ten months ago) link
Probably just a joke. Big wind up, unexpected absurd payoff, no elaboration. Basically a clickhole template.
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 16:32 (ten months ago) link
From 2016:https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/trump-feminine-speaking-style-214391/
― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 16:35 (ten months ago) link
Thought this was going to be about her antisemitism.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 18:02 (ten months ago) link
Was tempting to post that clip, but I thought better.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 18:06 (ten months ago) link
If she hadn't been kicked off her namesake show, there would be so much potential for her screen character to become a Q wife and battle her TV family.
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 18:08 (ten months ago) link
"Trust the plan, Dan."
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 18:11 (ten months ago) link