Theres talk of sum1 getting pantsed
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 21 October 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
I didn't realize until I just saw something online that Chase Utley played this year. Is he part of this? If they had him, Machado, and could somehow activate Roberto Alomar, what a trio of villains that would make.
― clemenza, Sunday, 21 October 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 22 October 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
Two opposing principles at stake:
If you don't want to see Mookie Betts win a World Series, you don't like baseball.If you don't watn to see Clayton Kershaw win a World Series, you don't like baseball.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 22 October 2018 01:07 (five years ago) link
But you have to balance that against:
If you want to see Manny Machado win a World Series, you don't like people.If you want to see Craig Kimbrel win a World Series, you--wait a minute, why doesn't anyone like Craig Kimbrel?
― clemenza, Monday, 22 October 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link
I don’t like Kimbrel because the beast thing he does with his hanging arms before the pitch is stupid
― Karl Malone, Monday, 22 October 2018 02:58 (five years ago) link
yeah it's annoying that he chooses to do that when he could very easily just not
― k3vin k., Monday, 22 October 2018 03:07 (five years ago) link
No weirder than Kershaw's pre-pitch business.
― WmC, Monday, 22 October 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
I don’t like kershaw because his mouth is always open half a foot wide
― Karl Malone, Monday, 22 October 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
Clayton Flytrap
― WmC, Monday, 22 October 2018 03:21 (five years ago) link
RS in 6
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 22 October 2018 05:27 (five years ago) link
Machado strikes me as a guy who is thrilled to finally be in a large market where he can hog the spotlight. I've heard talk that he's costing himself money with his behaviour, I think it's the opposite, he's a STAR(*!*!*!) now, dude is going to make way more money than he would have if he'd finished the year with Baltimore (which was already a metric shitload of money).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 22 October 2018 07:27 (five years ago) link
The Astros found a new Boston hotel so they wouldn't have to cross the Marriott picket line, reports @WhitneyM02.The Dodgers did not.https://t.co/p7hAynr8Nj— Pat Garofalo (@Pat_Garofalo) October 22, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 October 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
I like the story line with Mookie Betts perhaps being prepared to play second base in LA. It sounds pretty feasible, since he has played the position quite a bit when younger and in the minor leagues.
I searched for Mookie Betts 2b a few minutes ago and found this old nugget story out there.
https://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/6/30/5853046/prospect-of-the-day-mookie-betts-2b-boston-red-sox-scouting-report
Mookie Betts was drafted in the fifth round in 2011 from high school in Brentwood, Tennessee. He was a standout athlete and succeeded in baseball, basketball, and bowling. Scouts also liked his speed and his makeup, but his lack of size (he was listed at 6-0, 170 in high school but this was obviously wrong; he was closer to 5-8), a college commitment to the University of Tennessee, and the fact that his tools other than speed were considered average kept him from going earlier in the draft. The Red Sox had to go over slot to sign him at $750,000.
He played just one game in rookie ball in '11 due to the late signing deadline under the old CBA. Sent to Lowell in the New York-Penn League for 2012, he hit .267/.352/.302 with 20 steals, 32 walks, and 30 strikeouts in 251 at-bats. Scouting reports gave him good marks for speed, strike zone judgment, and overall quickness, but he had virtually no power and didn't show the arm strength to handle shortstop. He was an interesting athlete and young, but there was no particular reason to project a breakthrough in 2013.
Betts had other ideas.
He opened 2013 with Greenville in the Low-A South Atlantic League. He suddenly showed more pop and maintained his strike zone judgment, hitting .296/.418/.477 in 76 games with 58 walks and just 40 strikeouts in 277 at-bats. He also stole 18 bases in 20 attempts. Promoted to High-A Salem in the Carolina League for the second half, he took the hitting up another notch with a .341/.414/.551 line, 23 walks and only 17 strikeouts in 185 at-bats. Don't forget 20 more steals in 22 attempts.
In my book this year, I gave him a "strong Grade B" and comped him to Ray Durham, pointing out that Durham was "also a fifth round pick of similar size and skill."
I considered a B+ and I wish I had gone with that given what Mookie has done in 2014: .355/.443/.551 in 54 games with Double-A Portland, followed by a .322/.425/.444 line in 23 games for Triple-A Pawtucket. He's maintained strong strike zone judgement at both levels, with a combined 51/33 BB/K on the year. Don't forget 29 steals in 34 attempts.
A right-handed hitter and thrower, Betts was born October 7, 1992. As noted, his athleticism has always been respected. He's maintained his speed but has added more power as he's matured physically. His batting eye is exceptional and hasn't slipped at all as he's moved up the ladder. Defensively, he has the quickness to be an above-average defender at second base, perhaps even excellent as he continues to cut down on errors. The Red Sox began using him in the outfield at Pawtucket and he's held his own thus far. He continues to draw praise for his makeup and work ethic.
So let's summarize. Betts is fast and he uses that speed very well on the bases.. He has more pop than you'd expect given his size, due to plenty of bat speed and a sound swing. He has a terrific batting eye and has made easy adjustments when promoted. His glove at second base is improving and already very good. He's learning to play the outfield at the same time he was getting used to Triple-A pitching. And scouts like his personality.
What's not to like? He seems completely legitimate to me. I'd rate Betts as a Grade A- prospect currently, with a Top 20 ranking on the revised hitting prospect list that I'll release in mid-July. This doesn't mean he'll hit .300 right away in the majors and I doubt he develops into a big home run guy, but his OBP ability, pure hitting skills, at least decent pop, polished aggression on the bases, and defensive versatility make him one of the most exciting young players in the baseball universe.
― earlnash, Monday, 22 October 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link
lol at JD Martinez not playing first base.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 22 October 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
That it is easier to move Betts to second than JD at first is hilarious.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 22 October 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
JD tends to play left if/when he plays in the field iirc, not that he does it very well.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 October 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
The Ringer podcast discusses whether the Bosox' edge is overstated
https://www.theringer.com/2018/10/22/18011152/mlb-show-the-2018-world-series-preview
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 01:34 (five years ago) link
LOWEST COMBINED WHIP BY WS STARTERS, ALL-TIME1) 1.06 – 1911 WS Game 1 & 4 – Christy Mathewson (1.05) vs. Chief Bender (1.07)2) 1.07 – 1910 WS Game 2 & 5 – Three Finger Brown (1.00) vs. Jack Coombs (1.15)3) 1.09 – 1913 WS Game 2 & 5 – Christy Mathewson (1.05) vs. Eddie Plank (1.12)LOWEST COMBINED WHIP BY WS STARTERS, LIVE-BALL ERA (1920-PRESENT)1) 1.10 – 1973 WS Game 3 & 6 – Tom Seaver (1.04) vs. Catfish Hunter (1.15)2) 1.11 – 1924 WS Game 1 – Walter Johnson (1.04) vs. Art Nehf (1.17)3) 1.12 – 1974 WS Game 2 & 5 – Vida Blue (1.12) vs. Don Sutton (1.12)LOWEST WHIP, STARTING PITCHERS, LIVE-BALL ERA (min. 1,000 IP)1) Clayton Kershaw 1.002) Chris Sale 1.03
LOWEST COMBINED WHIP BY WS STARTERS, LIVE-BALL ERA (1920-PRESENT)1) 1.10 – 1973 WS Game 3 & 6 – Tom Seaver (1.04) vs. Catfish Hunter (1.15)2) 1.11 – 1924 WS Game 1 – Walter Johnson (1.04) vs. Art Nehf (1.17)3) 1.12 – 1974 WS Game 2 & 5 – Vida Blue (1.12) vs. Don Sutton (1.12)
LOWEST WHIP, STARTING PITCHERS, LIVE-BALL ERA (min. 1,000 IP)1) Clayton Kershaw 1.002) Chris Sale 1.03
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
i likes pitchin'
i remember those Seaver-Catfish games too
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
Any rain in the forecast? I've got a movie tonight, so--sorry everyone--I'd love a postponement until tomorrow.
Kershaw/Sale would be phenomenal if they were both in peak form. It's a possibly-still-recuperating Sale vs. the new Kershaw, though, and I'd be shocked if both are still around for the 7th.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
showers possible before 7pm and after 1am; 15-25% between 8 and midnight
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
The 2018 Dodgers Are the Most Positionally Fluid Team of All Time
https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/10/23/18012922/world-series-los-angeles-dodgers-positional-fluidity-flex-score-red-sox
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
dozier/freese/kike in vs. sale
bellinger/muncy out
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
post got eaten 10 mins ago but: “kershaw’s gonna get shelled isn’t he”
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:35 (five years ago) link
JD = dumb
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:40 (five years ago) link
So which batsman will be the first to clear the green monster Place yr bids
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:49 (five years ago) link
i think Kemp just 'shelled' Sale even tho it almost reached the Citgo sign
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:50 (five years ago) link
who had 51 pitches thru 2?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:55 (five years ago) link
sale
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:59 (five years ago) link
oh lol
c'mon Kershiser!!
― lâche pas la patate (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:05 (five years ago) link
I live in Los Angeles so obviously I am a Dodgers guy through and through but I think they just played Fugazi’s “Waiting Room” at Fenway so at this point I could go either way.— Dave Holmes (@DaveHolmes) October 24, 2018
He played Ballad El Goodo when I was there 5 years ago— Michael McKean (@MJMcKean) October 24, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:11 (five years ago) link
Having the best job sometimes means having the weirdest job. Here are the song requests I played at Fenway in 2017. pic.twitter.com/R5IXO8nbol— Josh Kantor (@jtkantor) October 10, 2017
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:12 (five years ago) link
thought maura was DJing
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:21 (five years ago) link
aint Machado great?
Benintendi doggin' it like a white guy
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:26 (five years ago) link
I achieved a superhuman feat off a future Hall of Famer and stumbled over this thing planted in the ground.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:35 (five years ago) link
i have the video on mute (sorry Buck revisionists), but while Shulman-Singleton are OK, it's a shame ESPNRadio doesn't have Sciambi-Mendoza.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:53 (five years ago) link
so much for 2nd lowest WHIP.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:57 (five years ago) link
Casey Stengel woulda hit for Freese there
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 02:05 (five years ago) link
on target for 9 innings in 4 hours again
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 02:10 (five years ago) link
Mountain Goats tied with Springsteen' requests on that fenway list, and name-dropping Joe Buck excietedly shared that Bruce is watching the broadcast tonight, but he coyley demeured prividing a source for this reaveal.
― BrianB, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 02:12 (five years ago) link
that exchange was awkward as fuck
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 02:15 (five years ago) link
what a duel
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 02:29 (five years ago) link
Bases loaded and yo boy manny macho up to bat
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
let's go Dogers
― the dutiful and the banned (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 03:05 (five years ago) link
rosdox
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link
Big missed opportunity for the Dodgers there.
Looking forward to the updated version of the "Clayton Kershaw can't can can't pitch in the playoffs" trope that will play out until his next start.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link
champion tbd by metrics
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
Hey, I predicted LA would win at least two games at home!
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 29 October 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
in the recent tradition of american politics, first you lose, and then everyone wants to lock you up
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-dodgers-might-be-in-actual-legal-trouble/
(discussed weeks ago, i know, but worth keeping in mind that the dodgers' real villains are worse than machado)
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 October 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
a number of them may be former employees -- Kapler?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
Steve Pearce Outlasts David Freese in Battle of Former Pirate Greats
― mookieproof, Monday, 29 October 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
6 straight division titles for the Dodgers, just to show you how weak the NL West is.
The East has had the lowest winning percentage three of the last four years.
― timellison, Monday, 29 October 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
Just out of curiosity, I was going to look at all the five-game WS and see how many times a starting pitcher with two wins did or didn't win MVP. I stopped early on the 2008 Series:
Cole Hamels (2008) - 1-0, 13 IP, 10 H, 3 W, 8 K, 2.77 ERADavid Price (2018) - 2-0, 13.2 IP, 7 H, 6 W, 10 K, 1.98 ERA
Ryan Howard (2008) - 3 HR, 6 RBI, .286/.375/.762Steve Pearce (2018) - 3 HR, 8 RBI, .333/.500/1.137
Pearce clearly had a better Series than Howard; but Price just as clearly had a better Series than Hamels. Hamels won MVP, Price didn't.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link
An explanation from one of the five voters:
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2018/10/inside_the_vote_for_world_series_mvp
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 00:30 (five years ago) link
yeah and dodgers put up a fight last year against the astros, so not sure what albert is on about
feel like a lot of you dudes get bogged down with the numbers a lot
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 00:37 (five years ago) link
― timellison, Monday, October 29, 2018 6:02 PM (two hours ago)
he meant the NL
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 October 2018 00:39 (five years ago) link
I'll read as much of this as holds my interest, but "lack of star power" in the cut line is mystifying. For starters, you've got Betts, Sale, Kimbrel, Price, Kershaw, Machado--there are four-to-six HOF'ers right there. Then you move onto Bogarts, Jensen, Puig, etc. Exactly how many stars was whoever wrote that line (probably not the writer) hoping for?
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/10/red-sox-world-series-2018-mlb/574162/
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 00:40 (five years ago) link
Yes, he said the NL, so I assumed he was referring to the NL. I'm not sure the NL West is a particularly terrible division.
― timellison, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
From the Atlantic article:
"The average baseball game stretched for three hours and four minutes this season, 10 minutes longer than it did at the beginning of the wild-card era."
Come on, ten minutes is a big deal?
― timellison, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 02:33 (five years ago) link
it is when the game is already interminable to begin with
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 02:35 (five years ago) link
― timellison, Monday, October 29, 2018 10:20 PM (forty-nine minutes ago)
meaning the NL overall *oh brother*
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 October 2018 03:11 (five years ago) link
So if I were to say "Division title for Milwaukee this year, just to show you how weak the NL Central is," it would then be clear that I was not actually referring to the NL Central, I was referring to the whole league?
― timellison, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 03:50 (five years ago) link
This is news? People who don't like baseball don't like ten minutes more of baseball?
― timellison, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 03:53 (five years ago) link
baseball would be great with a pitch clock and multiball bonuses
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 04:10 (five years ago) link
That Atlantic article is the worst POS piece on baseball you'll ever see, I don't even have the words.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 04:46 (five years ago) link
i'm guessing i would find A Star Is Born more interminable than Game 3.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 11:18 (five years ago) link
https://cdn.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Screenshot-2018-10-30-at-12.55.16-PM.png
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link
Millions of viewers or percentage of audience?
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
the obvious solution is to make sure the cubs win every year
― na (NA), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
percentage of audience (they're tv ratings, which are correlated with % of audience, i think: https://jalopnik.com/how-tv-ratings-work-1795820157)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
i guess the 1989 plunge was because a lot of the viewing audience was dealing with the earthquake?
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
i'm guessing interest was way down after the long delay in resuming. (10-12 days?)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 21:42 (five years ago) link
This goes back a little farther:
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/wstv.shtml
Series with better ratings that '86: '73, '75 (barely), '77-'81. Even with the Yankees and Dodgers, surprised '81 was so high after the strike and split-season.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
i guess the 1989 plunge was because a lot of the viewing audience was dealing with the earthquake?― Karl Malone, Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:19 PM (forty-five minutes ago)i'm guessing interest was way down after the long delay in resuming. (10-12 days?)― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:19 PM (forty-five minutes ago)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)
In the area where both teams played there were 63 deaths, 3,757 injuries & $6B* in damage ($12+B today) due to the earthquake, which may make one reevaluate your priorities.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 22:13 (five years ago) link
― clemenza, Monday, October 29, 2018 8:40 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
She meant the Yankees i think.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link
I swear when teams with a strong fanbase across the continent do well, like the Red Sox or Cards or Dodgers or Yankees, journalists yearn for the end of big teams and ugh always the same franchises and ugh payroll is so unfair. Once the Royals win the World Series however, the same journalists will cry for 'national teams' and wish baseball was more like the NFL where every american citizen cares for the Packers or something.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
baseball is one of the most complainy sports out there
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
well actually i think it's its main strength, baseball allows a self-criticism I would love to see in other sports.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
Gonna be real funny in 20 years when the european and american football have to deal with PED the way baseball had to.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
i don't mind it most of the time, but it grates when certain television broadcasters make the saaaaame complaints about stuff, year after year after year. the mound visits take too long, the batters step out of the box too much, the pitchers take too long, there are too many strikeouts, not enough sacrifice bunts, pitchers aren't tough any more, pitchers are only asked to throw 6 innings and that's lame, small ball is gone, not enough hit and run, wah wah wah
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
i could make a bingo card with all that shit and the st louis broadcast team will give me a nightly BINGO winning percentage of at least .500
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:05 (five years ago) link
agreed, some broadcasters are dragging the sport down.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:16 (five years ago) link
put Jason Benetti in charge of the World Series commenting imo.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:23 (five years ago) link
the FG piece by Craig Edwards that graph came from
For the most part, the World Series has followed general viewing trends. As more options for consumers have emerged, it has become more difficult for any kind of programming to attract a large audience. There have been exceptions: the 1991 World Series between Atlanta and Minnesota, a dramatic post-9/11 Yankees-D-backs event, and the Cubs curse-breaking spectacle. But the relationship between the TV’s No. 1 show and the World Series has been strong, producing an r-squared of .83 during this time period....
I think the disappointing ratings for the series are based primarily on two factors: overrating Boston’s impact on viewership and the games themselves....
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/those-disastrous-world-series-tv-ratings/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 01:11 (five years ago) link
(the impact of '89 on the Bay Area is obvious; it wouldn't account for the dip in the national audience)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 01:13 (five years ago) link
The Bash Brothers A's weren't really big nationally -- they were a huge deal within baseball, but didn't transcend the sport in a way that would draw big national ratings. Plus there wasn't much interest in watching the games because everybody also viewed the '89 WS as a huge mismatch (which it was).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 06:00 (five years ago) link
they were also the same market
― Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 06:22 (five years ago) link
yes it def seemed like a sweep even after Game 1
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link
the batters step out of the box too much, the pitchers take too long
this is true tho
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
I can withstand the constant complaining about 5-6 of these issues at any given time. But I cannot withstand 10+ I draw the line at 10+
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 14:31 (five years ago) link