fp'd for making me think about john harris' cum upsurge
― i’ll hufflepuff i’ll blow you away (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 11:26 (five years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/24/truth-british-soldiers-northern-ireland-troops
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 October 2018 06:59 (five years ago) link
QTWTAIY?
― Madchen, Friday, 26 October 2018 07:39 (five years ago) link
god that really made me think
― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Friday, 26 October 2018 09:12 (five years ago) link
If it's good enough for the IRA it's good enough for the British Army, sez the Guardian.
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Friday, 26 October 2018 11:08 (five years ago) link
i have a soft spot for Priestley but dear god he is the all-time champion of DO YOU SEE? middlebrowcore
― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 October 2018 11:15 (five years ago) link
also interested to identify the "we" in that headline
― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 October 2018 11:16 (five years ago) link
That Manchester E.N. story is brutal. That poor woman.
― brokenshire (jed_), Friday, 26 October 2018 12:42 (five years ago) link
The Maybot has appointed a minister for suicide prevention, so everything is OK now.
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Friday, 26 October 2018 13:05 (five years ago) link
https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/oct/27/blind-date-tom-catherine?__twitter_impression=true
Would you introduce him to your friends?Probably not. Tom has never been to Surrey, which wouldn’t go down well.
Guardian core readership revealed.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 27 October 2018 11:56 (five years ago) link
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 2 November 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/nov/03/pina-colada-song-improbability-data-journalist-crunches-numbers-james-ball
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 4 November 2018 10:13 (five years ago) link
rupert holmes' autocuckoldry classic
― All right! A new season! (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 4 November 2018 10:41 (five years ago) link
i managed a couple of skimmed paragraphs of that before gently murderous rage made me stop
― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 November 2018 10:44 (five years ago) link
And this particular track – a US No 1 on its release in 1979 (although it recharted in 1980, making it the only pop song to hold the top spot in different decades)
bollocks
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 4 November 2018 10:57 (five years ago) link
Didn’t hack comedians mostly stop doing the “go line-by-line thru a song taking it literally” bit 20 years ago?
― coetzee.cx (wins), Sunday, 4 November 2018 11:10 (five years ago) link
Awards: Pulitzer Prize for Public Service, Paul Foot AwardNominations: Orwell Prize for Exposing Britain’s Social Evils
lol these awards are clearly fucking worthless.
― calzino, Sunday, 4 November 2018 11:48 (five years ago) link
xp
that sounds like standard R4/Edinburgh fringe comedy gold that has people dying from broken spleens etc.
― calzino, Sunday, 4 November 2018 11:52 (five years ago) link
men who look like old lesbians
― ||||||||, Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:58 (five years ago) link
https://duaw26jehqd4r.cloudfront.net/items/3w1741021r2f021a0y20/IMG_8797.jpg
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 November 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
Jfc
― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 November 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
Saw that the other day and it crashed my brain.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
Here are the nominees for 2018 #TheTrashies Awards. Strangely some of them seem to appear on the @CommentAwards #EiCA18 shortlist too ¯_(ツ)_/¯— The Trashies (@TheTrashiesUK) November 5, 2018
congrats to the Graun for managing 10 trashie noms this year!
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 09:53 (five years ago) link
https://amp.theguardian.com/inequality/2018/nov/13/coming-out-as-working-class-difficulties-gay
Dear oh dear
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:00 (five years ago) link
You really have no idea what it’s like for Americans from single-parent/working-class homes who manage to get to very selective tertiary education, do you? I thought he nailed it.
― suzy, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:43 (five years ago) link
It's based on flawed logic - he admits it to students at Vanderbilt, who he assumes none of which are from working class backgrounds, so that high school kids in blue collar areas can be told it'll be ok. There's no thread there at all.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link
Did you read the last paragraph?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:31 (five years ago) link
Yes, that's why I referred to it.if that's his goal then telling non-working class students (his own assumption) in 'very selective tertiary education' (to borrow Suzy's phrase) doesn't go any way to achieving it.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:35 (five years ago) link
Alternatively, if publicity in general is an aim, what's the Guardian's standing in the sort of communities that only have a "tiny, rural high school, where there was no college counselor, no one to expose the children of sharecroppers to options after graduation beyond working on a farm or in a factory"?
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:42 (five years ago) link
It's a start. He himself went to Vanderbilt before getting hired there, so clearly not all of their students come from privileged backgrounds. Some of them could indeed contribute towards that long-term goal back home if exposed to this kind of discourse. Not ambitious enough? Perhaps. But that's a different matter.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:43 (five years ago) link
The article is uber simplistic. Maybe it grates because who needs another white working class article. Ugh.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link
The more articles about the working class, the better. Though I do agree that the tendency to reserve this term to white people in the US is infuriating.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:32 (five years ago) link
And how is he that banal, dry of a writer for teaching creative writing?
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:33 (five years ago) link
xpost I though this was written by a brit at first and was interested.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:34 (five years ago) link
I just looked up the college profile data for Vanderbilt from 1999-2000. ~40% of the predominately white undergrad class received need based financial aid. The article was a missed opportunity.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:52 (five years ago) link
Again: are any posters (who aren’t me) sharing their opinions on this guy the former recipients of full financial aid (tuition and accommodation) at a US college/uni of the calibre and expense of a Vanderbilt?
― suzy, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:59 (five years ago) link
I went to UVa so that was public. And my mom was a chinese restaurant waitress and dad in navy, I didn't qualify for need based financial aid.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 13:04 (five years ago) link
Like that would happen, amirite uptheworkers etc
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I kind of wanted to know if britain has the same fetishization of the (white) working class. I am approximately the same age as this guy and I always assumed a large enough amount of people attending universities all over the US came from a working class background, especially based upon the age/generation of parents "Coming out" as working class as a thing to overcome seems counterproductive to changing what makes most of america (education, healthcare, fresh food, housing) unaffordable for the majority. I could've and wanted to attend several elite private universities but thought it was an unnecessary, bad financial decision when I had cheaper options.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link
surprise: it does
― ogmor, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:12 (five years ago) link
my bootstraps are having a coming out party.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
How are the issues of education, healthcare, fresh food and housing unrelated to the working class condition? If you're not middle class or above, you're part of the working class, no matter your race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Those concerns aren't erased as a result; it's just an additional category to consider. Or am I failing to grasp the finer semantic hues?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link
I think I missed a punctuation (.) after "generation of parents". Trying to figure out where I was jumbly. Like, coming out as working class has been this weird humblebrag in the US forever; it's something to overcome instead of changing the system that preserves it. Did that address it?
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
I should probably have put low-income instead of working class there in the part about the systemic preservation of it.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
Ah, I see what you mean. That sounds like a very US-specific (and frankly depressing) take on the working class. Not that other countries don't have this problem, it's just less prevalent. Such is my impression, at least.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
As ogmor said there is a similar fetishization of the working class in the UK, not least amongst working class people ourselves. It coexists alongside the prejudices and discrimination that working class people experience everywhere in the world.
― two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
I was trying to find the exact definitions of working class, blue collar, low-income etc. Because a lot of blue collar jobs pay really, really well. I almost became a union electrician in my 20s.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:35 (five years ago) link
see also political candidates talking about how they come from a long line of ranchers or steel mill workers but leave out that their ranch land has oil rigs on it or their daddy owned all the steel mills.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
One of the fun complications of most class structures is it's not just about money. I think that partly accounts for the frequent exclusion of people of colour from some notions of working classness. Wrong notions, obv.
― two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:38 (five years ago) link
loads of middle class kids go into apprenticeships the electrical/plumbing trades in this era, huff up a bit of asbestos, get some tribal tats, earn some good money, act like they talk like idiot yobs in front of their parents!
― calzino, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:39 (five years ago) link