The opening line is such a clunker.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
damn that's an old-school pitchfork review
never heard a note by these guys but judging by the Zep-obsessed dorks who won't shut up about them I figure this is pretty damn accurate
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
It's also being discussed in the 'What Is Rockism?' thread.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
it is a throwback to old style p4k but GVF is such an easy target
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
A throwback review for a throwback band.
― michaellambert, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6cIYDvFS-U
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
Jet wasn't an easy target?
― billstevejim, Thursday, 25 October 2018 00:49 (five years ago) link
https://popula.com/2018/09/13/canon-fodder/
Thought this was p good. Also enjoyed hearing him talk about it on the Trillbilly podcast (along with David Allen Coe's son)
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:59 (five years ago) link
if you were an incoming freshman in 2005 who put “everything but rap and country” on your Facebook profile, there was another website growing in popularity that year that covered everything: Pitchfork Media.
I’m being unfair. Pitchfork did cover rap once in a while, but that was new at the time.
yeah they weren't as rap-focused in 2005 as they are now, but there are more than 300 pre-2006 hip hop reviews in the archives, so "once in a while" is also also unfair.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
I mean they also didn’t cover a lot of metal or punk unless it was hipster contingent stuff.
― circa1916, Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
Popula is a journalist-owned, journalist-run, ad-free publication on the Ethereum-based Civil publishing platform.
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
feel like i have to post that every time someone links to them
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
lmao
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
cage-free journalism
― President Keyes, Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
I learned about Ethereum in the New Yorker! Bit Coin!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
No Conde Nast, no credibility, eh?
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 25 October 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link
🙄
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 October 2018 15:03 (five years ago) link
i suppose country music has as much place in The Canon as black metal does
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
I know Burzum fans love feeling persecuted but most of the important black metal albums came out in the 90s
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
yeah, all those 90s Bathory and Celtic Frost albums everyone loves
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
Pitchfork had already published a list of The Top 100 Albums of the 1980s in 2002, since scrubbed from the internet.
um, it's right here. https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/the-top-100-albums-of-the-1980s/
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
iirc you can also donate to Popula via traditional crowdfunding, which is good cuz Civil has turned out to be a fiasco (for some reason???)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
Making it about Burzum seems like a strawman, as if the old Pitchfork celebrated Metallica and Van Halen and never ran a "worst guitar solos of all time" feature that included "Dazed and Confused" and "Comfortably Numb".
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
Like, I absolutely have heard "everything except heavy metal" as much as "everything except country".
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link
someone start a popula thread
― flopson, Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:56 (five years ago) link
Oh nm, I thought circanm's post was about early Pfork, not the recent list.xp
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link
circa1916
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r)
i guess i was too oblique, my point was more that both genres are absolutely riddled with racist pieces of shit, particularly in terms of their fanbases
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 26 October 2018 12:35 (five years ago) link
Oh lol
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Friday, 26 October 2018 13:24 (five years ago) link
harsh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JqA3A7uXU
― Frozen CD, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
alternative nation gives pitchfork review 1.6 out of 5
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
The Doors and Greta Van Fleet, flagship bands of the "Alternative Nation"
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link
"the point of reviewing music is to provide your opinion"
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
oh shit the secret GVF fans at p4k get called out
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
RIP Pfork Reviews Reviews
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
WATCH Alternative Nation absolutely *OBLITERATES* pitchfork
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
Alternative Nation? The Kennedy show?
― geoffreyess, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
Rewatching this, I feel like someone should really have told her not to post it, or at least to go back and work out what her arguments were and then make a new video.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
that video is fascinating. I find this whole thing fascinating. not only does she fundamentally misunderstand what music criticism is, her anger betrays an insecurity that p much every GVF fan has expressed since the p4k review was published. if p4k really doesn't matter, if they really are just preaching to the choir, just churning out haters and think pieces, uh.... who gives a shit? your new favorite band is #1 on the Billboard Top 200. they're selling out theaters everywhere they go and will probably be playing arenas within the year. why so upset by p4k's scorn? it's Trumpian to me, doing air quotes every time she says "article" or "review," as if they're fake. she says there's a difference between expressing an opinion and "just bashing"... uh, no there isn't, a harsh opinion is still an opinion.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link
seems kinda needlessly mean to link to a video of someone's onstage breakdown in the middle of what's already a sharply negative review of their new album
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:28 (five years ago) link
lmao a 3.5
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:30 (five years ago) link
guess after deleting the stay what you are review from the archive they needed a replacement
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:31 (five years ago) link
Saves the Day brought emo and its cultural associations to the mass audiences of MTV
iirc and imo, std were never mtv big, this was dashboard
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:32 (five years ago) link
the opening riff from one of the singles was a dead ringer for "fly away" so I assume the album's probably not so hot, but still
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:33 (five years ago) link
and yeah that seems revisionist
the album is very good, this review is not
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:35 (five years ago) link
the opening track is way more tongue-in-cheek and fun than the writer makes it out to be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=appHBD7ut80
Absent of emotional context, it feels delusional and desperate: “Let’s sing along another 20 years,” Conley begs, conjuring up the cursed image of a wrinkled, 50-year-old Saves the Day performing “At Your Funeral” at some kind of twelfth-wave emo revival cruise full of retirees.
... ok but it's a two minute pop-punk jam
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:39 (five years ago) link
v good sign that the reviewer is here to take it down is that the 21-minute song that takes up half the album is only mentioned in passing
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link
i prob come off as a stan for this band but i really disliked their last record and loooooved this one on first blush even though it's full of kinda dodgy ideas ("side by side"'s main riff being one of them, but it's grown on me a lot). the 21 minute track contains several amazing songs inside of it
maligning a band for putting out a tour diary when they're not sun kil moon lol
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:49 (five years ago) link
yeah STD were never MTV big. they were the first band I ever saw live though, opening for Green Day & blink-182 at MSG in 2002. is that the biggest tour they ever went on?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link