Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

yeah I'm only hearing that story now in light of this one

yeah, dude posted an adaptation of the “first they came for the...” poem about Trump “coming for” the Charlottesville marchers, the Proud Boys, etc.

These crazies, Trump fans or no, are definitely enabled and encouraged by him.

President Trump: "This would be a case for if there was an armed guard inside the temple, they would've been able to stop him, maybe there would've been nobody killed except for him" pic.twitter.com/dxf45rGhXr

— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 27, 2018

...three police officers were shot...?

i mean, i realize the police probably arrived after the shooting started, but it does suggest that having some rando civilians with carry/conceal permits on hand

ugh, nevermind. i fucking hate all of this, this nightmare cycle

xp EXACTLY

Q: How does someone slaughter people in a synagogue, then shoot three cops and get taken alive?
A: Don't ask such stupid questions. #fascistscum

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) October 27, 2018

I remember people saying they were glad that Hillary didn't win, because they were afraid of the right-wing violence that would result.

really? i guess i could see that argument given Bill's tenure. OTOH it might be even worse, we'd have like 10 of those Nevada ranch situations

I think the argument was basically "Look how Trump is stoking this...and if he looses, he's going to keep going."

But the problem is that he kept going even though he won. Stoking this is his only political play.

and hey, his approval rating is higher than Obama's going into thee 2010 midterms so i guess why stop you know

for real? god this country is stupid

It isn't, it's four points lower, scroll down on here - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Fake ne... ARRGHHH SHUT THE FUCK UP FUCK FUCK FUCK

I feel like posting to white supremacy forums should show up on a background check. I know it’s a violation of privacy and whatever but it is supremely idiotic that people with hate ideologies can just walk into a store and buy guns.

I’m getting really sick of these people to be honest. At bottom they are just narcissists. They’re unhappy with their own lives so they find an ideology that lets them blame other people and then they kill other people. It’s not about “mental illness”; they’re not halluncinating that god is telling them to do this shit or something they’re just assholes.

They all legit think they’re the only people in the world who feel alone and miserable. Maybe if they paid attention in English class this wouldn’t happen who knows

It isn't, it's four points lower, scroll down on here

oops sorry folks ignore me. for some reason i thought i'd saw/ heard recently he was up to 47%

Several recent polls from October have him around that level. some of them are renowned shitty pollsters (rasmussen), some are respected (nbc news). his overall poll average is at 42.4%, according to 538

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings

but it is supremely idiotic that people with hate ideologies can just walk into a store and buy guns.

ftfy

I’m getting really sick of these people to be honest.

wau, bold truth-telling

Dude just killfile me or something, jesus.

Words are obviously inadequate to the terrifying banality of these frequent mass killings.

Trump on the Pittsburgh victims: "We pledge in their name to fight for a future of justice, safety, tolerance, morality, dignity and love. We must all rise above the hate..." He ad-libs: "And it doesn't mean we can't fight hard and be strong and say what's on our mind."

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 27, 2018

Fucking hell

To reiterate, the president just explained unprompted that his remarks on a mass murder ruined his hair, but, on the bright side, at least it helped prove his hair is authentic. https://t.co/db9oQ7AXxi

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 27, 2018

xps thanks camaraderie, i did find that hard to believe

My daily lunch walk takes me past a Jewish youth center. Today there was a cop positioned across the street, and I guess all of this has numbed me, because I didn't realize why until I was headed home.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqiR5H5XgAAThs-.jpg

some thick-headed antisemitic drivel from LibDem peer baroness Tonge, like as if murderous KKK nut-jobs deeply care about the Palestinians, sure.

oh she got kicked out of the LibDems in '16. But lifetime peerage means lifetime peerage.

Ffs

yeah that's a stupid thing to say, otoh Bibi was very quick to launch his usual 'we stand together'-stuff, which he probably wouldn't do if some guy in America killed 10 Arabs (even though Israel has - doh - a significant Arab population)

one of the victims was a 97-year-old woman

Damn, that's on the same street as my grandparents' house. I don't really communicate with that side of the family anymore and only have an aunt still living there, but that must be /have been their synagogue.

One of my former co-workers (retired) was one of the victims.

Note the ages of the victims: Joyce Fienberg, 75; Richard Gottfried, 65, Rose Mallinger, 97; Jerry Rabinowitz, 66; Cecil Rosenthal, 59, and his brother David Rosenthal, 54; married couple Bernice Simon, 84, and Sylvan Simon, 86; Daniel Stein, 71; Melvin Wax, 88; and Irving Younger, 69.

Oh and this isn't terrorism, it's a hate crime. Because the guy was white.

imagine being a holocaust survivor and the last thing you witness is the spirit of '33 still going strong in the US.

But, of course, the real danger is Jeremy Corbyn being elected in the UK.

... so we're told over here.

frankly, that's a non-sequitir.

one can believe that Corbyn stinks as a leader -- not just b/c at best he countenances anti-Semitism among his ideological confreres, but also because he's just a poor leader in general (why is Labor so far down in the polls when the Tories are an obvious disaster?) -- and still think that right-wing anti-Semitism is a serious danger.

terrible take and completely wrong, mate.

I'm an American Jew and am emotionally exhausted today. I don't have the energy to argue with people using the deaths of 11 Jews to score some obscure political point about Jeremy Corbyn's critics.

...mate

Joyce Fienberg, 75; Richard Gottfried, 65, Rose Mallinger, 97; Jerry Rabinowitz, 66; Cecil Rosenthal, 59, and his brother David Rosenthal, 54; married couple Bernice Simon, 84, and Sylvan Simon, 86; Daniel Stein, 71; Melvin Wax, 88; and Irving Younger, 69.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening, you dick.

i mean, i get the sense that some seek to use right-wing anti-semitism (which is widespread and virulent and violent) to erase left-wing anti-semitism (which, while much less of any of those things, still exists).

Tom, sorry if I misread -- can you explain in other terms what point about Corbyn and his critics you were making?

terrible tragedies don't give you carte-blanche to misrepresent actual polling data though, which has pretty much had both main UK parties level pegged since election'17 . But I'm not going to get into this any further tbh.

This isn't the right place to discuss this, and I apologize for calling you a dick but in the UK at the moment only left-wing anti-semitism is deemed to exist and, vile as it is, it doesn't involve some guy walking into a synagogue and slaughtering a lot of old people.

I don't want to talk about this on this thread, I'm sorry I brought it up.

This isn't the right place to discuss this, and I apologize for calling you a dick but in the UK at the moment only left-wing anti-semitism is deemed to exist and, vile as it is, it doesn't involve some guy walking into a synagogue and slaughtering a lot of old people.

― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Sunday, October 28, 2018 4:56 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok, i get you. there isn't a broad acknowledgment of right-wing anti-semitism in the UK? even in the face of what's happening in eastern Europe etc.?