Man, what a throw.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 October 2018 04:05 (five years ago) link
6-9 fellas
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 28 October 2018 04:06 (five years ago) link
this aint over, RSN elitists
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 October 2018 04:10 (five years ago) link
Boston was one great play away from making maybe the dumbest pitching change I've ever seen. You've got a five-run lead, and Kimbrel and Price are both in a very good place after lots of previous trouble. Kimbrel almost brings the tying run to the plate, at which point you bring in Price so he can maybe lose the game. I don't get it. Anyway, they won.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 October 2018 04:14 (five years ago) link
This is an all-time choke job by the Dodgers
I don't get this; they lost a lead. It happened to, say, the 2002 Giants.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 October 2018 04:16 (five years ago) link
^^^ that was an all-timer too! They were what, nine outs from winning the WS with a five run lead? Blowing leads of 4+ runs from the seventh inning on is rare!
At the time I didn't hate the decision to remove Hill. Maybe you'll need him to start game 7, maybe he'll be needed in relief in game 6, and there's no need to compromise that by making him throw another 20-25 pitches with a lead that the bullpen should handle 99% of the time.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 28 October 2018 04:46 (five years ago) link
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour agoMoreWatching the Dodgers/Red Sox final innings. It is amazing how a manager takes out a pitcher who is loose & dominating through almost 7 innings, Rich Hill of Dodgers, and brings in nervous reliever(s) who get shellacked. 4 run lead gone. Managers do it all the time, big mistake!
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 28 October 2018 04:57 (five years ago) link
I hear there’s a baseball job opening in NYC if he wants to step down from his current position and show MLB how it’s done.
― omar little, Sunday, 28 October 2018 05:00 (five years ago) link
I wonder if Trump would be weighing in if it were Craig Counsell.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 October 2018 05:16 (five years ago) link
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrumpFollow Follow @realDonaldTrumpMoreVerlander is great but very beatable. Does not have a good ERA in playoff games
7:12 AM - 16 Oct 2012
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 28 October 2018 05:32 (five years ago) link
ok lol
It's like taking out Obama and putting you in— Very Spooky Michael (@Home_Halfway) October 28, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 28 October 2018 05:33 (five years ago) link
so much worse than Smoltz
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 October 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
I too thought taking out Hill was fine. I don't like preemptive and needless pitching changes, but Roberts gave Hill a baserunner, and even let him go one batter after that); if Hill puts another guy on, then Boston's in a position to make it a one-run game. That all of that happened and worse, that's just baseball.
Kimbrel still mystifies me, though. Besides what I posted above, everything NoTime writes about Hill also applies to Kimbrel.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 October 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
A friend and I are planning to get together for a possible game six, so I'll absolutely be rooting for the Dodgers today.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 October 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
Kimbrel has been extremely lucky, his control has been spotty since June and now it’s gotten worse at the worst possible time. But he still Ks batters at a high rate and he’s had some great defense behind him.
― omar little, Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
Removing Hill was justifiable, so was using Kimbrel with a five run lead (it's a stretch, but you can come up with a couple of reasons). Not having a LHP ready to face Moreland was not. On the broadcast I think they said that Wood was warming up but wasn't ready -- Roberts didn't think ahead to get him up in time.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
No LHP, and they left in Madson who, let's face it, has been awful all year and has gotten worse in the playoffs.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
Does not bother me at all watching Madson play the goat for the Dodgers after that chump hit job he did on Votto earlier this year putting him on the DL.
― earlnash, Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
we still have a 24% shot at Game 7
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/zips-updated-playoff-probabilities-2018-world-series/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
so was using Kimbrel with a five run lead (it's a stretch, but you can come up with a couple of reasons)
What are they? In all honestly, they escape me. Was there no one else to protect a five-run lead?
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
i didn't watch last night's game, but pretty much every red sox pitcher was used during the 7+ hour game the night before, right?
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
Pretty shameful of Trump to imply one of his guys is a nervous wreck
Madson, who hails from Southern California, believes the idea behind the wall is to keep away terrorists – not necessarily from Mexico – who might try to infiltrate the U.S. through its southern border.“I think the media has spun it in a way to make him look like he’s anti-immigrant, so I think it’s more their fault and how they’ve made him look than what he’s trying to do,’’ Madson said. “I don’t think he’s doing it in a way to be a Zionist. He’s not trying to seal us off from the world. He’s trying to just slow down or stop as much as he can what’s been happening here in America with the terrorists.’’
“I think the media has spun it in a way to make him look like he’s anti-immigrant, so I think it’s more their fault and how they’ve made him look than what he’s trying to do,’’ Madson said. “I don’t think he’s doing it in a way to be a Zionist. He’s not trying to seal us off from the world. He’s trying to just slow down or stop as much as he can what’s been happening here in America with the terrorists.’’
― omar little, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
― omar little, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
Re: Kimbrel
-- as mentioned by KM, every Boston reliever pitched the day before, two of their best had pitched the sixth through eighth, and David Price was next in line to relieve.
-- they wanted to give Kimbrel some easy work with a big lead to keep him sharp (at least that was the intention).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
(xpost) True of Kimbrel, also, and he's more crucial than anyone else you're going to overwork. I would have sent Pomeranz out and given him a baserunner, possibly two. I know he had a lousy year, but he's presumably on the roster for a reason, for mop-up duty at least. Last night was mop-up duty.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
Anyway, thanks to Devers, it worked. And if Kimbrel pitches today and pitches well, then no harm done.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
re: the decision to pull Hill in the 7th, this quote from Roberts seems relevant:
“I had a conversation with Rich, and we talked about it. He said ‘Keep an eye on me. I’m going to give it everything I have. Let’s go hitter to hitter and just keep an eye on me.’ So right there, I know Rich did everything he could, competed, left everything out there” (https://deadspin.com/dave-roberts-helped-the-red-sox-grind-the-dodgers-into-1830056080)
according to Roberts, Hill said that during the bottom of the 6th (maybe during a mound visit? i didn't see the game)
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
btw Price starts tonight, not Sale (who may be hurt worse than let on?)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
I think that guy used to play for the Blue Jays.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 00:22 (five years ago) link
Keith Law to the contrary, Kershaw remains pretty damn erratic in the post-season. A few great starts, yes, but every time you think he's turned the corner, you're reminded that he hasn't.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 00:25 (five years ago) link
1st pitch nice
― the dutiful and the banned (rip van wanko), Monday, 29 October 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
you broke my heart in 2011 Freese, maybe you can do it to beantown
― the dutiful and the banned (rip van wanko), Monday, 29 October 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link
'turning the corner' must be like Learning to Handle Postseason Pressure
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 00:45 (five years ago) link
these condescending PLAY BALL promo spots on the radio are both annoying and out of season in the Northeast
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 00:46 (five years ago) link
No, "turning the corner" would be consistently pitching well. Complicated, I know.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 00:51 (five years ago) link
he just lacks character
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
Nice to see Price get past that--I remember him unraveling with Toronto (against the Rangers, I think) after a playoff error in right field.
As always, you have to caricature. I haven't said or even remotely implied anything of the sort. I know you like things simple: Clayton Kershaw is a great pitcher, therefore he must be a great pitcher in the postseason, not someone who's a sometimes puzzling mixture of great and not-great. Bryce Harper is an incredibly talented player at his best, therefore he must be a great player even when he's hitting .240, not a great player having a poor season. The gray area, and being able to hold two contradictory thoughts in your mind at the same time--I know that's not your thing.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:18 (five years ago) link
needed to cash that runner.... but it's a good thing Machado didnt hit that fly
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 01:19 (five years ago) link
It's funny how you're certain there's no mental component to it.
xps
― timellison, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:19 (five years ago) link
not puzzling, clem, u just gotta cling to causation
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 01:20 (five years ago) link
the 'narrative' jazzbos are CONVINCED he's a choker, of course
cuz it's just gotta be
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 01:21 (five years ago) link
fwiw Harper had a well above average season in terms of offensive production (albeit not to his full potential). His defense dragged his overall value way down this year.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:22 (five years ago) link
cling to causation
What does this even mean? What cause was implied by talking about turning a corner?
― timellison, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:29 (five years ago) link
u just gotta cling to causation
Again, I implied nothing of the sort. I observed that his post-season pitching has been erratic. Didn't speculate on the why of it at all. It's you who clings to your one rhetorical trick: take one of the old myths that 40 years of sabermetrics has shown to be specious at best and pin it on someone for no other reason that that's what you do.
Buck Martinez called J.D. Martinez's hit a "hand-job."
― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:31 (five years ago) link
Three hard hit outs for the Sox
― timellison, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:41 (five years ago) link
Kershaw's up-and-downness has sometimes been in-game, like tonight. The thing I vividly remember about those Cardinal meltdowns was how untouchable he was for the first six innings, right up to the point where St. Louis broke the games open. Right now, he's in a groove (some hard-hit balls, though, yeah).
If it goes six, is Boston looking at Sale, or is he in reserve for tonight?
― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:45 (five years ago) link
This is disconcerting
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 29 October 2018 01:48 (five years ago) link
I swear Price gets a bit more gray in that chin hair each inning.
― earlnash, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link
Whoever wins this game, boy I'd love for it to end sometime around 11:00.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 01:51 (five years ago) link
Thinking of switching to red dead 2 right now
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 29 October 2018 01:56 (five years ago) link