Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqiR5H5XgAAThs-.jpg

some thick-headed antisemitic drivel from LibDem peer baroness Tonge, like as if murderous KKK nut-jobs deeply care about the Palestinians, sure.

oh she got kicked out of the LibDems in '16. But lifetime peerage means lifetime peerage.

Ffs

yeah that's a stupid thing to say, otoh Bibi was very quick to launch his usual 'we stand together'-stuff, which he probably wouldn't do if some guy in America killed 10 Arabs (even though Israel has - doh - a significant Arab population)

one of the victims was a 97-year-old woman

Damn, that's on the same street as my grandparents' house. I don't really communicate with that side of the family anymore and only have an aunt still living there, but that must be /have been their synagogue.

One of my former co-workers (retired) was one of the victims.

Note the ages of the victims: Joyce Fienberg, 75; Richard Gottfried, 65, Rose Mallinger, 97; Jerry Rabinowitz, 66; Cecil Rosenthal, 59, and his brother David Rosenthal, 54; married couple Bernice Simon, 84, and Sylvan Simon, 86; Daniel Stein, 71; Melvin Wax, 88; and Irving Younger, 69.

Oh and this isn't terrorism, it's a hate crime. Because the guy was white.

imagine being a holocaust survivor and the last thing you witness is the spirit of '33 still going strong in the US.

But, of course, the real danger is Jeremy Corbyn being elected in the UK.

... so we're told over here.

frankly, that's a non-sequitir.

one can believe that Corbyn stinks as a leader -- not just b/c at best he countenances anti-Semitism among his ideological confreres, but also because he's just a poor leader in general (why is Labor so far down in the polls when the Tories are an obvious disaster?) -- and still think that right-wing anti-Semitism is a serious danger.

terrible take and completely wrong, mate.

I'm an American Jew and am emotionally exhausted today. I don't have the energy to argue with people using the deaths of 11 Jews to score some obscure political point about Jeremy Corbyn's critics.

...mate

Joyce Fienberg, 75; Richard Gottfried, 65, Rose Mallinger, 97; Jerry Rabinowitz, 66; Cecil Rosenthal, 59, and his brother David Rosenthal, 54; married couple Bernice Simon, 84, and Sylvan Simon, 86; Daniel Stein, 71; Melvin Wax, 88; and Irving Younger, 69.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening, you dick.

i mean, i get the sense that some seek to use right-wing anti-semitism (which is widespread and virulent and violent) to erase left-wing anti-semitism (which, while much less of any of those things, still exists).

Tom, sorry if I misread -- can you explain in other terms what point about Corbyn and his critics you were making?

terrible tragedies don't give you carte-blanche to misrepresent actual polling data though, which has pretty much had both main UK parties level pegged since election'17 . But I'm not going to get into this any further tbh.

This isn't the right place to discuss this, and I apologize for calling you a dick but in the UK at the moment only left-wing anti-semitism is deemed to exist and, vile as it is, it doesn't involve some guy walking into a synagogue and slaughtering a lot of old people.

I don't want to talk about this on this thread, I'm sorry I brought it up.

This isn't the right place to discuss this, and I apologize for calling you a dick but in the UK at the moment only left-wing anti-semitism is deemed to exist and, vile as it is, it doesn't involve some guy walking into a synagogue and slaughtering a lot of old people.

― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Sunday, October 28, 2018 4:56 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok, i get you. there isn't a broad acknowledgment of right-wing anti-semitism in the UK? even in the face of what's happening in eastern Europe etc.?

xpost

i'm sorry i made it worse! sincerely.

No need to apologize, I had a rush of blood to the head, I shouldn't have mentioned it on this thread, it's inappropriate.

group hug plz.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46135459

At first I saw '6 wounded' and thought 'business as usual'. Then I saw '12 dead' and thought 'business as usual'.

The yoga shooting a few days ago didn’t even result in a thread bump

:(

jesus fucking christ

Friends and family anxiously converged at the Borderline Bar in Thousand Oaks early Thursday to learn the fate of the hundreds of people who were inside when a gunman opened fire.

Chandler Gunn, 23, of Newbury Park, said his mom came to his room and told him about the shooting.

He rushed to the bar and called a friend who works there, who was also at the Route 91 Harvest music festival in Las Vegas last year when a gunman opened fire, killing 58 people and wounding hundreds. His friend told him that some type of tear gas was thrown into the bar. She saw smoke and heard gunshots and ran out the back toward nearby apartments.

He hasn’t been able to contact her again but knows she’s safe. He said Wednesday nights are college country nights at the bar, and open to people 18 and over for line dancing lessons.

“A lot of people in the Route 91 situation go here,” he said. “There’s people that live a whole lifetime without seeing this, and then there’s people that have seen it twice.”

Americans need to storm NRA headquarters and burn it to the fucking ground.

Someone should tell self-important anti-gun doctors to stay in their lane. Half of the articles in Annals of Internal Medicine are pushing for gun control. Most upsetting, however, the medical community seems to have consulted NO ONE but themselves. https://t.co/oCR3uiLtS7

— NRA (@NRA) November 7, 2018

How dare these doctors listen to no one but doctors! They should start taking into account the opinions of non-doctors, because if they didn't exist, there wouldn't be need for doctors!

scalpels don't cut people, doctors do

those self-important anti-disease doctors

It's a death cult, of course they despise doctors.

Also 'Americans need to storm NRA headquarters and burn it to the fucking ground' is as otm as it gets.

If you want to know how bad it is, there’s nothing starker than this:

The Gun Violence Archive, a resource that lists shootings in the US, used to have a spreadsheet that detailed everything from the previous year.

The data available is now sorted to “Last 72 Hours.”

— Alex Zalben (@azalben) November 8, 2018

a number of the survivors from this morning's shooting were also survivors of the las vegas shooting.

ban country music concerts

there's significantly more chance of that happening than there is of the second amendment being repealed

the guy in anguished tears apologizing for getting out alive with his son fucking gutted me

Another one of those things I'd rather just fleetingly read about.

wow congrats to the @nra social media manager on yet another four day weekend - you earned it buddy!

— KT NELSON (@KrangTNelson) November 8, 2018

47 ppl at the bar were Vegas survivors.
1 of the victims was a Vegas survivor.

I feel helpless, sick, angry, dismayed and numb

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/us/shooting-california-thousand-oaks.html

yuuuuuuup

One college student, Nellie Wong, was at the bar celebrating her 21st birthday. Ms. Wong was trapped in the club until the police arrived, and described the whole thing as a blur.

“She’s alive though,” said Ms. Whittler, standing with Ms. Wong outside the bar. “She’s alive for her 21st birthday.”

the thing from that NYT aricle that made me go cold was that the shooter even stalked & shot the wounded

i just want to barf

the smoke bombs stood out for me. the horror of gun shots going off, with smoke everywhere. jfc

i don't even know what to say or think any more. it's so clear what the problem is, and what the obstacles are. the way these mass shootings are reported, the aftermath, the non-responses from the nra and their pals in congress, the outrage on the left, even the language of futility, or of noting how often it's happened, like what i'm typing now. it's maddening

plus the realization that we're not going to Repeal the Second Amendment for a few decades because of the way that the supreme court has been stolen / stacked with sexual abusers