"It's over, nobody listens to techno!" – Eminem Vs. Moby

yea Moby has more tunes I like than Eminem, who even at his peak was doing stuff like basing entire songs off the Mr. Mackey voice. and while Moby is clearly kind of dickish (though he's probably mellowed in the last 25 years), Eminem strikes me a legitimately bad person

all these stories that moby was a shit are from a long time ago.

are there more recent examples that he is still an arrogant sod, or, has he realised the errors of his ways and grown up.

I still listen to his 'destroyed' album a lot (no guest vocalists, late night lonely ambi-techno).

of course I voted moby as I never really enjoyed Eminem even at the height of his skills.

I tried to find the techno track that sampled the "nobody listens to techno" line, either the one I found was a different track or it's much worse than I remembered.

most dated line in "the real slim shady"

after this song came out moby did an interview with mtv defending himself saying "i haven't put out a techno record in ten years, maybe more" and you can feel him pushing imaginary glasses up his nose as he's saying it

for that i'm voting moby

That’s a terrible opinion

― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, October 31, 2018 11:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's a really good beat though.

lol I wonder if back in 1999 the 1981 shooting of Jim Brady was something a bunch of 14 year olds were hip to

I like a couple early Em songs and productions, including "Renegade," and still listen to early Moby, including the first album and the Move EP, to me his most sustained work.

after this song came out moby did an interview with mtv defending himself saying "i haven't put out a techno record in ten years, maybe more" and you can feel him pushing imaginary glasses up his nose as he's saying it

for that i'm voting moby

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2018 1:51 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is appropriate, however also IMO the best thing about "nobody listens to techno" as a line is how little Eminem knew or cared what Moby actually sounded like.

That song above, used in a 2016 comic book movie that grossed $325 million dollars and aimed at kids born when the song came out, has references to Tom Green, Lynne Chaney, Malcolm McLaren

I also don't remember McLaren being a big topic of interest around the turn of the millennium

Moby. Eminem at his self-absorbed worst (coupled with that delivery) is totally repellent

still laughing at the idea of Eminem calling out Edgar Froese

(ok that Unloved Symphony is pretty great, also I will admit that I like 'Thousand' too)

it's over, nobody listens to ed froese

Eminem at his self-absorbed worst (coupled with that delivery) is totally repellent

good Moby content imo: https://www.gimletmedia.com/heavyweight/2-gregor

Eminem was incredibly talented but his music expressed feelings and ideas (and prejudices) I don’t enjoy engaging with so I’ve spent very little time with his music. To the contrary, the one moby album I had in high school, Play, got a lot of spins and I have positive feelings toward it.

I must've been one of the only people who bought it for "Bodyrock", assuming that Moby was a dude in the vein of the Chemical Brothers/Fatboy Slim/Lo-Fidelity All-Stars

still liked the album, though it took a while. It's embedded in my memory to a pretty significant degree - every time I hear it, it's like I'm delivering papers again

did moby ever find out why his soul felt so bad

all the supermodels in nyc like his music but they don't want to hang out tbf

was gonna vote for eminem anyway, but wanted to say that i reeeeallly hate natural blues

i really liked it when it came out but nowadays i find most of play to be unlistenable

all the best moby is 95 or earlier imo

I remember buying Animal Rights when it came out and being very "..." about the change in direction. However it came with a bonus disc "Little Idiot" which was basically my introduction to ambient music as a full-fledged concept. Its uneventfulness seemed quite radical to 14 yr old me, though listening back on youtube it now sounds like an occasionally heavyhanded Kompakt Pop Ambient album.

Indeed something about Moby's (90s) melodic heavy-handedness generally feels both dated in a way a lot of 90s dance music doesn't and is also kinda loveable? He feels like the only dance music "star" who really embodied (or purported to embody) PLUR.

e.g. check "Into The Blue (Spiritual Mix)" or "Hymn (European Mix)". These feel like the kind of techno tracks you'd hear on compilations of dubious origins featuring no artist names and tacky computer graphic covers and called 'Cosmic Techno' or similar. Of the former, a commenter on discogs.com notes enticingly, "In Italy this record has quite high valuations."

The "problem" for 90s Moby is that once you get past the stylistic diversity, the majority of tracks are very much "now watch me do (x) sub-genre", and pretty much every thing he tried his hand at was done at least a bit better by someone else - "Feeling So Real" is A- happy hardcore (Westbam remix probably takes it to an A), "Everytime You Touch Me" is A- handbag house and so on. The Move EP is the one time he felt like he was truly operating above journeyman status.

all of the Tom Green/Eminem/Moby junk only makes sense when viewed through the lens of late 90s MTV and, even at that time, was such a weird microcosm of Total Request Live

the implication was that Eminem was sitting around every day getting angry that boy bands, Britney Spears, and a music video by a guy on MTV were beating him on a call-in music video request show and he actually made songs and videos referencing all of the meta-culture of the show in order to tweak the scales

The "problem" for 90s Moby is that once you get past the stylistic diversity, the majority of tracks are very much "now watch me do (x) sub-genre", and pretty much every thing he tried his hand at was done at least a bit better by someone else - "Feeling So Real" is A- happy hardcore (Westbam remix probably takes it to an A), "Everytime You Touch Me" is A- handbag house and so on. The Move EP is the one time he felt like he was truly operating above journeyman status.

I agree. I was there at the time, and watching SPIN, Village Voice, etc go mad over the pleasant and occasionally worthwhile EIW confused me.

10 in SPIN iirc

"a skit where the members of Insane Clown Posse blow someone"

I gotta say that I go out of my way to listen to this occasionally: never fails to make me laff…

doesn't it seem that MM would have an appreciation for techno, being that he's been a creature of Detroit his whole life? Or is that like saying that a kid in Staten Island in 1979 would have necessarily been immersed in in No wave?

as a teenager in ohio who had never heard of happy hardcore or handbag house those moby tunes were revelations for me tbh

ndeed something about Moby's (90s) melodic heavy-handedness generally feels both dated in a way a lot of 90s dance music doesn't and is also kinda loveable? He feels like the only dance music "star" who really embodied (or purported to embody) PLUR.

yes totally, moby did seem like he was more connected to the idealist values of rave culture than most of the other names who blew up in the late 90s electronica mainstream

These feel like the kind of techno tracks you'd hear on compilations of dubious origins featuring no artist names and tacky computer graphic covers and called 'Cosmic Techno' or similar. Of the former, a commenter on discogs.com notes enticingly, "In Italy this record has quite high valuations."

ha otm and i think i went out and bought tons of these compilations after first hearing EIW and the 1992 s/t record. some of them were quite good

eminem has sucked for years, some of his old stuff doesn't hold up very well at all, and he is very annoying, but he never wrote this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/food-stamps-shouldnt-pay-for-junk-1523315448

gotta vote eminem

Eminem doesn't have anything that touches "We Are All Made of Stars," so Moby.

Come on mane, "Stan" pisses on that song from a great height

― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:55 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Stan is great, so are most of the 99-02 singles, but "We Are All Made of Stars" is pop perfection! Classic video, too.

Most of the Eminem and Moby output from ca. 1993 to 2001 still rocks to me

we are all made of stans

who would you rather house-sit for, or have house-sit for you?

by all accounts moby is a huge asshole interpersonally so i would NOT want to house-sit for him since he'd probably be a real dick about a bunch of little things. if i didn't have to interact with him much i could imagine him house-sitting for me, feel like you could reliably get him to feed the cats and such.

https://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/amp/

I would house-sit for Moby based on this slideshow (though he sold the house to Leonardo DiCaprio earlier this year):

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/28/garden/20110428-MOBY.html?ref=garden#1

Ironically I still feel Eminem has his shit together compared to moby, so I’d rather have Em house sit. Of course I’d prefer to house sit for him as well, his house is probably huge, has a pool and most importantly: ham in the fridge.

Moby’s house is probably non-descript besides probably still having that photo of him showing his dick hanging above his bed.

who would you rather house-sit for, or have house-sit for you?

― Philip Nunez, Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:52 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

moby for sure! there have been some good photo spreads of his places

lol xp eazy yes

this piece I did NINE YEARS ago was chill

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/play-10-years-later-mobys-track-by-track-guide-to-1999s-global-smash-80650/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40129462/stan-an-eminem-song-from-2000-is-now-in-the-oxford-english-dictionary

i don't have any inclination to listen to any old eminem anymore but this by itself seems like a pretty profound sign

after the climate change wars if there are still textbooks then they're gonna be assigning 'stan' to english students like they're reading edwin arlington robinson or some shit

I was ten years old when Play came out and it felt like it was everywhere, which of course it was, but revisiting it via a quick skim on Youtube I had never taken it in as music properly, and wow some of it is really bad, "Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad" is even worse when you see it with the cynically manipulative video

crazy I've probably listened to Play 50+ times and can't remember anything after track 11

I sometimes wonder about the relationship between Eminem and the alt-right of today: I was starting high school when he first had hits and I remember his fans all being a certain type of classmate - entitled whiny boys who used "Jew" and "faggot" to insult people, and how normalised that all seemed in a way that twenty years later I find horrifying

I mean, teenagers will always be awful but Eminem managed to position himself as an icon to an audience who lapped up all that hate and vitriol

pbbbbblllltttttt

love all those Eminem songs where he says Jew

xxp I'm probably the same age as you and yeah. I remember downloading the MM LP freshman year of college just because I remembered it from high school and being like, man, I'm an 18 year old idiot and even to me this is so stupid and juvenile. Kinda nuts to think he was 28 years old when it came out!!

Em more of a misogynist than an anti-semite, tbf

I’d rather stick to one messageboard. Why have other boards at all, if ILE preempts and supersedes them?

(Give me some credit, I bookmarked and use the ILE “Damon Lindelof’s Watchmen” thread, after being told the ILC “Watchmen” thread wasn’t the right place to discuss it.)

tbh you should have started a thread on I Love Books to talk about Moby's book

Someone should! Without fear of being redirected to ILM or ILE, lol