"It's over, nobody listens to techno!" – Eminem Vs. Moby

10 in SPIN iirc

"a skit where the members of Insane Clown Posse blow someone"

I gotta say that I go out of my way to listen to this occasionally: never fails to make me laff…

doesn't it seem that MM would have an appreciation for techno, being that he's been a creature of Detroit his whole life? Or is that like saying that a kid in Staten Island in 1979 would have necessarily been immersed in in No wave?

as a teenager in ohio who had never heard of happy hardcore or handbag house those moby tunes were revelations for me tbh

ndeed something about Moby's (90s) melodic heavy-handedness generally feels both dated in a way a lot of 90s dance music doesn't and is also kinda loveable? He feels like the only dance music "star" who really embodied (or purported to embody) PLUR.

yes totally, moby did seem like he was more connected to the idealist values of rave culture than most of the other names who blew up in the late 90s electronica mainstream

These feel like the kind of techno tracks you'd hear on compilations of dubious origins featuring no artist names and tacky computer graphic covers and called 'Cosmic Techno' or similar. Of the former, a commenter on discogs.com notes enticingly, "In Italy this record has quite high valuations."

ha otm and i think i went out and bought tons of these compilations after first hearing EIW and the 1992 s/t record. some of them were quite good

eminem has sucked for years, some of his old stuff doesn't hold up very well at all, and he is very annoying, but he never wrote this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/food-stamps-shouldnt-pay-for-junk-1523315448

gotta vote eminem

Eminem doesn't have anything that touches "We Are All Made of Stars," so Moby.

Come on mane, "Stan" pisses on that song from a great height

― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:55 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Stan is great, so are most of the 99-02 singles, but "We Are All Made of Stars" is pop perfection! Classic video, too.

Most of the Eminem and Moby output from ca. 1993 to 2001 still rocks to me

we are all made of stans

who would you rather house-sit for, or have house-sit for you?

by all accounts moby is a huge asshole interpersonally so i would NOT want to house-sit for him since he'd probably be a real dick about a bunch of little things. if i didn't have to interact with him much i could imagine him house-sitting for me, feel like you could reliably get him to feed the cats and such.

https://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/amp/

I would house-sit for Moby based on this slideshow (though he sold the house to Leonardo DiCaprio earlier this year):

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/28/garden/20110428-MOBY.html?ref=garden#1

Ironically I still feel Eminem has his shit together compared to moby, so I’d rather have Em house sit. Of course I’d prefer to house sit for him as well, his house is probably huge, has a pool and most importantly: ham in the fridge.

Moby’s house is probably non-descript besides probably still having that photo of him showing his dick hanging above his bed.

who would you rather house-sit for, or have house-sit for you?

― Philip Nunez, Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:52 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

moby for sure! there have been some good photo spreads of his places

lol xp eazy yes

this piece I did NINE YEARS ago was chill

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/play-10-years-later-mobys-track-by-track-guide-to-1999s-global-smash-80650/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40129462/stan-an-eminem-song-from-2000-is-now-in-the-oxford-english-dictionary

i don't have any inclination to listen to any old eminem anymore but this by itself seems like a pretty profound sign

after the climate change wars if there are still textbooks then they're gonna be assigning 'stan' to english students like they're reading edwin arlington robinson or some shit

I was ten years old when Play came out and it felt like it was everywhere, which of course it was, but revisiting it via a quick skim on Youtube I had never taken it in as music properly, and wow some of it is really bad, "Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad" is even worse when you see it with the cynically manipulative video

crazy I've probably listened to Play 50+ times and can't remember anything after track 11

I sometimes wonder about the relationship between Eminem and the alt-right of today: I was starting high school when he first had hits and I remember his fans all being a certain type of classmate - entitled whiny boys who used "Jew" and "faggot" to insult people, and how normalised that all seemed in a way that twenty years later I find horrifying

I mean, teenagers will always be awful but Eminem managed to position himself as an icon to an audience who lapped up all that hate and vitriol

pbbbbblllltttttt

love all those Eminem songs where he says Jew

xxp I'm probably the same age as you and yeah. I remember downloading the MM LP freshman year of college just because I remembered it from high school and being like, man, I'm an 18 year old idiot and even to me this is so stupid and juvenile. Kinda nuts to think he was 28 years old when it came out!!

Em more of a misogynist than an anti-semite, tbf

I mean, it wasn't like Eminem existed in a bubble: you had nu-metal and South Park and Jackass and all different kinds of obnxiousness pervading the culture, but it was a fanbase that you could recognise immediately

I'm probably a couple years older than boxedjoy (Eminem wasn't a thing until a year or two after I left high school), but his experiences sound a lot like the ones I had waiting on his fans at my record store job. Whether there is an identifiable connection between Eminem and the alt.right is probably a bit of a stretch--there are certainly other, far more significant factors in play in the rise of the alt.right--but I don't think its at all crazy to notice similarities.

I think Eminem's misogyny is borne more out of confusion and fear than genuine hatred, looking at his awkward verse on "Smack That" where he sounds weirdly unhuman and asexual

Eminem, South Park and Jackass were all awesome and hilarious and smart and I'm sorry everyone in your highschool was giving you purple nurples because you were trying to school them to the ineffable beauty of Apichatpong Weerasethakul or whatever

Anyway, I'm glad that we are actually able to have this conversation now: to bring up any criticisms of Eminem in 1999/2000 was to shouted down by free speech warriors (now very much a cause of the alt.right).

I mean I'm not saying "Eminem gave rise to the alt-right" but there's something to be said for the way he normalised lyrics about violence and hate to a generation who are now of an age where they have influence and power

PC Culture is cancer am I right Whiney

holy shit, both of you stop posting

but there's something to be said for the way he normalised lyrics about violence and hate to a generation who are now of an age where they have influence and power

have you considered that he is awesome and hilarious, though

Say Tr*mp folks too, I'm sure.

Maybe Tom Green radicalized Eminem

Eminem, South Park and Jackass were all awesome and hilarious and smart

South Park was never smart

of those three, Jackass definitely had its moments. The other two can fuck off and die

Definitely the dirt poor kids who felt energized by Eminem giving a voice to white trash, South Park tapping into rural alienation and Jackass tapping into suburban alienation – definitely the first people I think of when I think of who has "influence and power" in America

The way to properly vote: imagine Eminem singing "We Are All Made of Stars" and Moby rapping "Just Lose It."

I mean I don't disagree about Eminem and South Park being smart and hilarious and awesome in various ways (I never bothered with Jackass because I'm not great with gross-out physical humour) but the joke of Slim Shady being a character who makes us examine our own hypocrisies is not how the punchline went to 13 year olds in 2001

*extremely dying from opiod overdose in missouri voice* i had so much power

the joke of Slim Shady being a character who makes us examine our own hypocrisies

A dangerous game to play, I realize, but was this ever his intent?

no

that element hadn't occured to me tbh Whiney, and I take it on board, although I also imagine that part of that is down the differences between US and UK culture

his "character" was a dodge, just a way to do offensive shit and then provide him w authorial distance from it

The way to properly vote: imagine Eminem singing "We Are All Made of Stars" and Moby rapping "Just Lose It."

― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:46 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bad singing is less embarrassing than bad rapping--eminem wins again!

South Park was a very smart show in some ways and utterly indefensible in others

the joke of Slim Shady being a character who makes us examine our own hypocrisies

A dangerous game to play, I realize, but was this ever his intent?

― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:49 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And every single person is a Slim Shady lurking
He could be working at Burger King, spittin' on your onion rings
Or in the parking lot, circling, screaming, "I don't give a fuck!"
With his windows down and his system up

South Park was a very smart show in some ways and utterly indefensible in others

― frogbs, Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:53 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is accurate.

rmde

this is like the "is Trump smart" argument