we are all made of stans
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
who would you rather house-sit for, or have house-sit for you?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
by all accounts moby is a huge asshole interpersonally so i would NOT want to house-sit for him since he'd probably be a real dick about a bunch of little things. if i didn't have to interact with him much i could imagine him house-sitting for me, feel like you could reliably get him to feed the cats and such.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/amp/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
I would house-sit for Moby based on this slideshow (though he sold the house to Leonardo DiCaprio earlier this year):
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/28/garden/20110428-MOBY.html?ref=garden#1
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
Ironically I still feel Eminem has his shit together compared to moby, so I’d rather have Em house sit. Of course I’d prefer to house sit for him as well, his house is probably huge, has a pool and most importantly: ham in the fridge.
Moby’s house is probably non-descript besides probably still having that photo of him showing his dick hanging above his bed.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:52 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
moby for sure! there have been some good photo spreads of his places
― marcos, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link
lol xp eazy yes
― marcos, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
this piece I did NINE YEARS ago was chill
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/play-10-years-later-mobys-track-by-track-guide-to-1999s-global-smash-80650/
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40129462/stan-an-eminem-song-from-2000-is-now-in-the-oxford-english-dictionary
i don't have any inclination to listen to any old eminem anymore but this by itself seems like a pretty profound sign
after the climate change wars if there are still textbooks then they're gonna be assigning 'stan' to english students like they're reading edwin arlington robinson or some shit
― j., Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link
I was ten years old when Play came out and it felt like it was everywhere, which of course it was, but revisiting it via a quick skim on Youtube I had never taken it in as music properly, and wow some of it is really bad, "Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad" is even worse when you see it with the cynically manipulative video
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link
crazy I've probably listened to Play 50+ times and can't remember anything after track 11
― frogbs, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
I sometimes wonder about the relationship between Eminem and the alt-right of today: I was starting high school when he first had hits and I remember his fans all being a certain type of classmate - entitled whiny boys who used "Jew" and "faggot" to insult people, and how normalised that all seemed in a way that twenty years later I find horrifying
I mean, teenagers will always be awful but Eminem managed to position himself as an icon to an audience who lapped up all that hate and vitriol
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
pbbbbblllltttttt
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
love all those Eminem songs where he says Jew
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
xxp I'm probably the same age as you and yeah. I remember downloading the MM LP freshman year of college just because I remembered it from high school and being like, man, I'm an 18 year old idiot and even to me this is so stupid and juvenile. Kinda nuts to think he was 28 years old when it came out!!
― frogbs, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
Em more of a misogynist than an anti-semite, tbf
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
I mean, it wasn't like Eminem existed in a bubble: you had nu-metal and South Park and Jackass and all different kinds of obnxiousness pervading the culture, but it was a fanbase that you could recognise immediately
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
I'm probably a couple years older than boxedjoy (Eminem wasn't a thing until a year or two after I left high school), but his experiences sound a lot like the ones I had waiting on his fans at my record store job. Whether there is an identifiable connection between Eminem and the alt.right is probably a bit of a stretch--there are certainly other, far more significant factors in play in the rise of the alt.right--but I don't think its at all crazy to notice similarities.
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
I think Eminem's misogyny is borne more out of confusion and fear than genuine hatred, looking at his awkward verse on "Smack That" where he sounds weirdly unhuman and asexual
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
Eminem, South Park and Jackass were all awesome and hilarious and smart and I'm sorry everyone in your highschool was giving you purple nurples because you were trying to school them to the ineffable beauty of Apichatpong Weerasethakul or whatever
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
Anyway, I'm glad that we are actually able to have this conversation now: to bring up any criticisms of Eminem in 1999/2000 was to shouted down by free speech warriors (now very much a cause of the alt.right).
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
I mean I'm not saying "Eminem gave rise to the alt-right" but there's something to be said for the way he normalised lyrics about violence and hate to a generation who are now of an age where they have influence and power
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
PC Culture is cancer am I right Whiney
― frogbs, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
holy shit, both of you stop posting
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
but there's something to be said for the way he normalised lyrics about violence and hate to a generation who are now of an age where they have influence and power
have you considered that he is awesome and hilarious, though
― frogbs, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
Say Tr*mp folks too, I'm sure.
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
Maybe Tom Green radicalized Eminem
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
Eminem, South Park and Jackass were all awesome and hilarious and smart
South Park was never smart
of those three, Jackass definitely had its moments. The other two can fuck off and die
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
Definitely the dirt poor kids who felt energized by Eminem giving a voice to white trash, South Park tapping into rural alienation and Jackass tapping into suburban alienation – definitely the first people I think of when I think of who has "influence and power" in America
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
The way to properly vote: imagine Eminem singing "We Are All Made of Stars" and Moby rapping "Just Lose It."
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
I mean I don't disagree about Eminem and South Park being smart and hilarious and awesome in various ways (I never bothered with Jackass because I'm not great with gross-out physical humour) but the joke of Slim Shady being a character who makes us examine our own hypocrisies is not how the punchline went to 13 year olds in 2001
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
*extremely dying from opiod overdose in missouri voice* i had so much power
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
the joke of Slim Shady being a character who makes us examine our own hypocrisies
A dangerous game to play, I realize, but was this ever his intent?
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
no
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
that element hadn't occured to me tbh Whiney, and I take it on board, although I also imagine that part of that is down the differences between US and UK culture
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
his "character" was a dodge, just a way to do offensive shit and then provide him w authorial distance from it
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:46 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bad singing is less embarrassing than bad rapping--eminem wins again!
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
South Park was a very smart show in some ways and utterly indefensible in others
― frogbs, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
the joke of Slim Shady being a character who makes us examine our own hypocrisiesA dangerous game to play, I realize, but was this ever his intent?― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:49 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:49 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
And every single person is a Slim Shady lurkingHe could be working at Burger King, spittin' on your onion ringsOr in the parking lot, circling, screaming, "I don't give a fuck!"With his windows down and his system up
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
South Park was a very smart show in some ways and utterly indefensible in others― frogbs, Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:53 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― frogbs, Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:53 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is accurate.
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
rmde
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:55 (five years ago) link
this is like the "is Trump smart" argument
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
remembered it from high school and being like, man, I'm an 18 year old idiot and even to me this is so stupid and juvenile
yeah, i was ten, so it hit the sweet spot
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
wait why was Em trying to son Moby in a beef anyway? I think I used to know why
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
"there's a million of us just like me" is the key Eminem line isn't it
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
That's been my experience.
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
last night's south park was really good
― maura, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
anyway, team chris kirkpatrick
also you can't just blame eminem for the alt-right. he like nu-metal and the man show and all that other overly masculinized culture was just part of the market asserting itself to its perceived norms after being ~~disrupted~~ by cobain calling out rape culture, women having multiple leading roles on cbs, lilith fair, etc etc
― maura, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link