Ween. Are they great or what?

the show last night in st. paul was stupendous. 'fluffy' solo blew the roof off the palace. excited for 2nd show tonight. i'm sober now so knowing gene was too was sort of helpful and inspiring? but yes their fans are dirt twirling hippies and weirdos, it's great

show is already up, wow. well fluffy was the last song of main set- also funny was '# Deaner plays Gener's guitar to sound more like "Jerry" wherein he put on heavy mutron and got that gooey 78 estimated prophet sound. they can be such hams, dean especially

https://archive.org/details/Ween2018-11-03.MK012

😊

all i see turns to brown

This is a very good semi-officially band-approved fan comp that I never knew about for some reason. About 2/3 pulled from Pod-era. Flows nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi8HeoaLCaQ

I wish their live shows would include a 20-30 minute section with cassettes as the backing tracks. Pure Guava songs sound weird live imo.

it's weird they turned into the grateful dead for people who know who Steve Albini is

great post

yah perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K65dRRa3GoM

this isn't on that comp but it's probably one of my favorite songs full stop.

I think if I made a list of "Top 10 songs I can't believe weren't ever on a studio album", Ween would have like 6 of them

True, without pulling from any b-sides they could easily fill an all-killer Shinola Vol 2. I don't get why it hasn't happened yet.

it's weird they turned into the grateful dead for people who know who Steve Albini is

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

Omg this is so accurate

Did they have a jam band audience at all before Phish started playing Roses Are Free (1997)?

I don't think so, they were marketed as an "alternative" act when they arrived on the scene in the height of 90s alternative music marketing mania.

I don't know, but I definitely knew some guys in college circa 1994-95 that listened to a lot of jam bands but also listened to a ton of Ween.

In fact, now that I think about it, it was the guy that taped me my first batch of Dead tapes in college that also introduced me to Chocolate and Cheese and Pure Guava.

True, without pulling from any b-sides they could easily fill an all-killer Shinola Vol 2. I don't get why it hasn't happened yet.

Dean said the process of making the first one was really exhausting - apparently a lot of the demos weren't really in releasable condition, so a lot had to be recorded fresh. Also they don't really like revisiting old songs. Still, a Shinola Vol. 2 would sell a ton of copies so yeah idk why they didn't make it

I'm not exhaustive in keeping up with Ween in message boards or anything, but a buddy sent me a 4-disc, 100-song rarities thing years ago that I understand to be pretty widely appreciated. It's still my most listened to Ween thing:

::VOLUME 1::
1.I Smoke Some Grass And Get Really Really High (B-side)
2.Mango Woman (B-side)
3.Puerto Rican Power pts.1&2 (B-side)
4.Now I'm Freaking Out (C&C outtake/B-side)
5.There's A Pig (B-side)
6.Vallejo (B-side)
7.Ode To Rene' (B-side)
8.Bakersfield
9.Skycruiser
10.Cruise Control
11.Sweet Texas Fire (Piss Up A Rope B-side)
12.Albino Sunburned Girl (Holland 1990-From Jug Is Quaid Tape)
13.Hippy Smell
14.I'm Fat
15.I'm Fat pt.2
16.Fat Albert
17.Little Peta
18.Oblongs (Little Peta diff.mix)
19.Little Peta (drum mix)
20.Koko (demo?)
21.Koko
22.Silent Night
23.Mr.Mocha (Pure Guave outtake version)
24.Big Dick Black
25.Spleen
26.Motown (with vocals)
27.Main Vein
28.S'amuse Comme Un Peut
29.Transitions
30.Grounded For Life (13 second T.V. version)

::VOLUME 2::
31.I Got No Darkside (12 GCG outtake)
32.So Long Jerry (12 GCG outtake)
33.Booze Me Up And Get Me High (Mollusk outtake)
34.I'll Be Your Johnny On The Spot (demo version)
35.Mr Richard Smoker (90 Second TV version-never used)
36.Cornbread Red
37.Cornbread Red (dub mix)
38.Who Dat?
39.Shot Heard 'Round The World (Schoolhouse Rocks)
40.Boys Club
41.I'll Miss You (Beautiful Girls Soundtrack)
42.Eye 2 The Sky (rejected song for 'Muppets In Space')
43.Love (Orgasmo Soundtrack)
44.Fancy Pants (Crank Yankers version)
45.Greg The Bunny (written for TV show-never used)
46.Homo Rainbow (demo)
47.Homo Rainbow (Chef Aid version)
48.Loop De Loop (Spongebob Squarepants episode)
49.I Can't Put My Finger On It (Conan O'Brien)
50.Freedom Of 76' (120 Minutes Performance-1995)
51.Golden Eel (Viva Variety-1997))
52.Buckingham Green (Nothing TV-Public Access Television show-1997)
53.She Wanted To Leave (Nothing TV-Public Access Television show-1997)
54.Mutitlated Lips (Oddville-1997)
55.Exactly Where I'm At (Letterman-2000)
56.Making Love In The Gravy (Electro Harmonix Micro Synth Demo)
57.Dual (Electro Harmonix Micro Synth Demo)

::VOLUME THREE::
58.Beacon Light (X-Files Soundtrack)
59.Stallion Pt.4 (C&C Outtake)
60.Did You See Me? (Mollusk Outtake)
61.I Still Love You (Done for Mickey and Aaron's Insurance Salesman)
62.Junky Boy (Pandy Fackler Tape)
63.No More Tears (Pandy Fackler Tape)
64.Numb To The Lung (Pandy Fackler Tape)
65.Nicole Pt.4 (Pandy Fackler Tape)
66.Purple Haze (Deaner Does Jimi Tape)
67.The Wind Cries Mary (Deaner Does Jimi Tape)
68.Bold As Love (Deaner Does Jimi Tape)
69.Little Wing (Deaner Does Jimi Tape)
70.Kansas City Star
71.Love Will Conquer All
72.Chairman Of My Destiny
73.Unknown Title (demo)
74.Baboon Pt.2
75.Time To Yourself
76.Surfeited
77.Little Miss Mandee
78.Happy Colored Marbles (Carson Daly Show-2003)

::VOLUME FOUR::
79.Square Wave Jam (Electro Harmonix Micro Synth Demo)
80.Touch My Tooter (KCRW Radioshow-Morning Becomes Eclectic)
81.Buenos Tardes Amigo (demo)
82.Flutes Of The Chi (Mollusk Outtake/Reject version)
83.Ocean Man (demo version)
84.Mickey (Pigface-Deaner & Andrew)
85.Cold-Mickey pt.2 (Pigface-Deaner & Andrew)
86.Hello Johnny (White Pepper Demo)
87.I'll Wait (Mollusk Outtake/Demo)
86.She'll Just Get You (White Pepper Demo)
89.Fool To Cry (Rolling Stones Cover)
90.Argus (Not Quebec version-completely diff.song)
91.Even If You Don't (demo)
92.Where'd The Cheese Go? (Pizza Hut Commercial rejected song)
93.Where'd The Motherfucking Cheese Go At? (reworked Pizza Hut jingle)
94.Champagne Jam (Run Ronnie Run Soundtrack)
95.Transdermal Celebration (Quebec rehearsals)
96.Ooh Va La (Quebec rehearsals)
97.Tried And True (Quebec rehearsals)
98.Alcan Road (Quebec rehearsals)
99.Ooh Va La (Quebec outtake/B-side)
100.Mountains And Buffalos (Quebec outtake/B-side)

Still, a Shinola Vol. 2 would sell a ton of copies so yeah idk why they didn't make it

People stopped buying tons of copies of anything, and Aaron & Mickey stopped working together offstage. It’s been, what, fourteen years since they recorded anything?

well yeah it would be bizarre if they made it now. they should've done it in 2009.

I'm saying that we can now see that they had stopped working together by 2009

The Grateful Dead / ween connection was...dudes who smoked weed

^ Jon's friend's mix can be found on slsk fwiw

It's also on Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/WeenBSidesDemosRarities

That material and much more besides can be found in this reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/ween/comments/5shi2h/ween_unreleased_anthology_35/

I don't know, but I definitely knew some guys in college circa 1994-95 that listened to a lot of jam bands but also listened to a ton of Ween.

The Grateful Dead / ween connection was...dudes who smoked weed

Just wanted to say that White Pepper is a genius pop album

i love white pepper maybe my fave

Cat stevens is on "Gener" terms with gene ween pic.twitter.com/hyLmq7Vxaj

— josh 'Letterman' (oldfriend99) (@oldfriend99) August 10, 2017

<3

I haven't listened to any Ween studio albums in a while, but I just listened to Quebec and I'm both stunned at how fucking great it is and irritated that they couldn't keep it going for a few more albums. I think everything they were aiming for they found right here. Now I'm looking on RYM and it's their highest rated (3.93) - when did that happen!?

Yeah, I don't know if I can offer any further info on the why of it, but Quebec has really quietly turned into a consistent fan favorite over the last five or so years.

Speaking of Ween (glad you bumped this thread today frogbs, they've been on my mind what with Deaner's bday), is there any sort of attempted comprehensive list of the stylistic homages they do to other bands on the internet? There's quite a few reddit threads dedicated to the idea, but none that seem all encompassing.

Don't forget to pair Quebec with era-appropriate B-sides (ooh va la & mountains and buffalo) and the Caesar demos

Quebec is easily my favorite. It is the deepest and most of the songs are about Heavy Shit. I wish they had made the soft rock album that I know they had in them. Your Party is my favorite from Cucaracha.

I wonder if the release of the Caesar demos has something to do with its re-evaluation. As good as the album is I do wish they found a place for those 2 B-sides at least. Ooh Va La was my favorite track on it for a while (but it's only on the Japanese version that I had to download)

I've seen the rumour crop up that supposedly those demos being leaked was a source of disgruntlement between the two of them

Your Party is my favorite from Cucaracha.

― Cow_Art, Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:40 AM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

'Your Party' has become one of my favorites, period. It never fails to slay me with its normcore decadence.

yeah I think Gene was not happy that it leaked. iirc he didn't really want to do the Shinola album either and is probably the reason why they didn't release more of them. its too bad because they have some insanely good B-sides. I think The Mollusk is one of the best albums ever but even still it's fucking insane that "Kim Smoltz" was left off of it, even crazier that it never came out in any real form whatsoever. lotta bands would kill to write a song as good as that.

“Mountains” could be a super furry animals tune

Mangoiy woman

I had to hard reset my phone to get this to stop playing. Lmao

https://i.imgur.com/VCjJIC3.jpg

I saw them in LA last night for my first post-pandemic concert and it fucking ruled. I was slightly annoyed about how much I paid for the tickets but it was 100% worth it.

I see they’re doing “From the Beginning” by ELP now which is awesome

The few recent set lists I’ve seen have been incredible. They just have so many amazing deep cuts to choose from

Are they purely a nostalgia act now? I want a new album, goddammit!!

Not a nostalgia act, more a 'professional' live act for some great jobbing musicians. I doubt there will ever be another record. Not even sure they can be bothered to release archival stuff.

There was an attempt at an album circa 2010 wasn't there? Wonder why coming up with something new is such a dead end for them

I assume that they don't gel as songwriters anymore and when they're not making money off of touring they're spending time with their respective families. Aaron's solo stuff is really good, Mickey's is crap.