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in fact using Trump for zillions of clicks is probably about the most cowardly and pathetic thing a political hack could do tbh. She's another one who makes me feel genuinely queasy that I'm paying her fucking wages!

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link

Acosta may well have been pushy, greedy, but I thought his persistent point about Trump's slack use of the word 'invasion' was a rare instance of a journalist publicly holding this careless, ceaseless liar to some kind of account and by doing so, insisting that words matter - which is surely at the heart of journalism.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link

Sorry but wtf? How is she in the right about this at all? He didn’t “mistouch” the intern at all - that’s the Infowars edit that’s shamefully been circulated by the White House and which no journalist should be given the oxygen of attention. Like oh no Acosta asked too many questions and that’s just terrible, but this whole flimsy thing is resting on the false edit and that’s acceptable and not terrifying?

Also, fuck the BBC and their commitment to platforming fascists.

gyac, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link

what I got from her awful piece was the sense that she is so used to working for the bbc that she has forgot to even affect an air of journalistic ethics, its all a game to her and attacking some hack for not being respectful and cowed enough in the White House is utter shit - and her conduct is problematic enough in the uk, but it seems even more ghastly in the context of a KKK friendly US prez.

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link

iow, how that boot taste

i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 November 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link

It's almost as if professional ethics is frequently a (self-internalised) justification for power worship

Tsugumo Alanshearer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 9 November 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link

just saying again that whilst the United Nations rapporteur is currently investigating why there is such extreme poverty in the UK, here are some of the News items the bbc considered more newsworthy :

How Tom Hardy saved bedtime

'Staunch to the end' PM notes to WW1 fallen

UK economy grows at fastest rate since 2016 (tldr version - lots of functional alcoholics buying shitloads of cans and bigscreen tv's from Brighthouse during world cup)

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link

Nowt to say. Nowt you can say.

brokenshire (jed_), Friday, 9 November 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link

that's the "editorial" decision they made on the BMJ paper on PIP deaths as well. Some stuff is actually news you know?

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link

There is this, but curiously it's classified as a Tyne and Wear story:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-46130355

Compare with this Guardian writeup with video, map, timeline of Alston's visits to different cities in the UK etc:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/08/life-on-the-poverty-frontline-un-turns-its-gaze-on-uk

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 November 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link

Oh, I know, cal. It's absolutely infuriating. Crossed wires.

brokenshire (jed_), Friday, 9 November 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link

no worries jed

I didn't find that one on a bbc search of "UN Rappatorteurs UK", just some World Service programs about conditions in other parts of the world, but they've buried it in regional news. Congrats BBC!

calzino, Saturday, 10 November 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link

I more clearly meant "there is nothing I can say that can suitably express my anger and powerlessness about that".

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 10 November 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link

Thanks for those links, Tracer...

Mr Alston, whose work focuses on extreme poverty and human rights, said foodbanks play "a really crucial role... that real safety net so that people don't quite starve ".

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 10 November 2018 00:30 (five years ago) link

got to cling on to that first world status, much more important than a triple a rating - just keep 'em in that sweet spot where they don't quite starve!

But seriously I have had a few conversations recently about multiple people who have died in the last 5 years, a mixture of vulnerable people and people with other underlying drug/alcohol or mental health problems. Now all the maisonette flats around the corner mostly contain cramped families rather than the "disappeared". One person I used to know had got help with his alcohol/mental health problems and was found dead in his flat, and this goes back to depression caused by his brother's recent suicide. I'd love to talk to this rapporteur guy myself.

One of saddest things I saw in recent years was a very autism-spectrum type guy I used to regularly speak to, telling me he couldn't keep his dog anymore because they had stopped his dole, never seen him since:(

calzino, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

since when has the BBC been outright tory propaganda. felt different ten, fifteen years ago

imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 12:53 (five years ago) link

The question isn't whether or not it's Tory propaganda and more how it relates to the government at the time. The BBC got a lot of shit for being too pro-Blair but it held New Labour to account a lot more successfully than it did either the coalition or the post-2015 governments.

One reason for this is, I suspect, the fact that the BBC is under existential threat from the Tories and is well aware of that and unwilling to antagonise them too much.

(Question Time etc are produced by external providers who are expected to abide by BBC impartiality rules but do so largely unsuccessfully - it's more fringe right groups that benefit than the Tories per se.)

The BBC *as a whole* feels like it's improved in the last couple of years even as its news and current affairs output had got markedly worse.

Matt DC, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:12 (five years ago) link

Unfortunately news and current affairs are the largest part of the argument for its continued existence

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:14 (five years ago) link

when I was young and stupid (as opposed to old) I used to think Brian Walden really hated the tories with his contemptuous "I put it to you" line of aggressive questioning. But amazingly he is still alive and a recent wiki check showed he had run as Labour candidate in the 60's and Thatcher had some notion that the BBC hated them, apparently. But most startlingly there was something floating about on google about how it was Walden who persuaded Cameron + Osborne to do the ConDem rather than attempt a minority gov.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link

He was a Labour MP from 1964 to 1977.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link

i mainly associate him with Weekend World which was on ITV tbf

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:31 (five years ago) link

I've killed so many brain cells since then, it feels like a century ago.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:32 (five years ago) link

but I used to watch him through Sunday hangovers, back then. For reason I thought he was beeb.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:33 (five years ago) link

i had to double check

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:34 (five years ago) link

now i've just got "Nantucket Sleighride" stuck in my head

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:34 (five years ago) link

"Nantucket Sleighride" amiritedudes? *high fives and misses*

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:35 (five years ago) link

LOL frazzled minds think alike.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:36 (five years ago) link

Andrew Marr doesn't rock this hard

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link

The BBC *as a whole* feels like it's improved in the last couple of years

No Clarkson (who ten years ago was hosting the corp's most popular entertainment show and using that to take potshots at the then PM while being best pals with his successor) helps

nashwan, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link

the BBC is like a tree that is rotten from the roots, rotten from the top and .. um rotten in the middle. A tree with Brian Cox at the top, smugly pissing on you.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link

Worst Christmas ever. Again.

nashwan, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link

lol!

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link

scuse me, I read that as worst Christmas Tree ever.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link

just stick R3 on for some medieval x-mas hymns and avoid the Dr Who spesh at all costs imo.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:22 (five years ago) link

No Clarkson (who ten years ago was hosting the corp's most popular entertainment show and using that to take potshots at the then PM while being best pals with his successor) helps

and no Moyles

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 December 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link

for every Moyles, Evans, Clarkson that has gone there are still scores of terrible people who you are compelled by law to pay for. And none of them were tried for their crimes, although Moyles seems to have disappeared without a trace, thank fuck!

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:33 (five years ago) link

Chris Moyles can be heard seguing Oasis into the Courteeners on Radio X if you're really interested.

Matt DC, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link

that cursed netherworld where he was one of the highest paid at the beeb was some kind of bad dream, you might be tempted to think. But no.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link

Shaun Keaveney's still on the books, the Chris Moyles for Shed 7 fans

Neil S, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link

Stella Creasy will be a regular listener then!

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link

In 2012 Chris Moyles was involved in a tax avoidance scheme[81] and requested a court order to prevent the press from reporting it, because he claimed it would infringe his human rights

can u have human rights if ur not human

makes u think

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link

just stick R3 on for some medieval x-mas hymns and avoid the Dr Who spesh at all costs imo.

― calzino, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:22 AM (three hours ago)

the wily Chibnall has outwitted you again by having a New Years special this year instead

sans lep (sic), Monday, 3 December 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link

As a tribute to his punch-ably annoying smug face and terrible writing I'll watch summat I got from the movie torrents instead.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link

gregg wallace and his unearned gurning

(in fact i still love masterchef despite this)

mark s, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link

My Youtube history has some shameful stuff: DJ Smile, The Young Turks, H Lewis JP GQ interview, Eddie Shit videos, The Queen's Corgi trailer and even J Oliver associated Food Tube stuff. But I have never delved into that Masterchef space.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link

A bit of groaning and moaning about the BBC. In the end the stuff on post-truth and too big to change etc. undercuts what are a bunch of reasonable points.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 December 2018 23:12 (five years ago) link

and the new Eastenders set is going to be extremely delayed and several millions pounds over budget, which seems like an absolute disaster?

boxedjoy, Thursday, 13 December 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link

Not if it keeps Eastenders off our TV screens.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Friday, 14 December 2018 00:13 (five years ago) link

we're due to play united there mid feb so i really hope its in ok shape by then

Moussa- ppl gon die (darraghmac), Friday, 14 December 2018 00:23 (five years ago) link


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