Captain Marvel (2019), dir. Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck

Arguably all the big actors in small roles like John C Reilly as Screenwatcher Superintendant - it kicks you out of the film a bit.

Relevant:

You either die an elf or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain in an MCU film. pic.twitter.com/6y6B2Us5op

— TASK the World’s Most Interesting Geek (@UpToTASK) December 4, 2018

people got Very Mad at that extremely mild Hawke quote

I don't think anyone here got Very Mad when it was first litigated months ago. I for one agreed, and I'm an unabashed MCU stan.

“It’s not Bresson. It’s not Bergman,” Hawke continues, “But they talk about it like it is.”

do they

(I actually thought Logan was wildly overpraised but that's some serious strawman shit)

captain marville

it's very annoying that Josh didn't acknowledge this

it occurred to me that within a few years virtually every actor of note or otherwise will have been in a superhero movie

it's true, there are only 300 living actors in the world

I'd have to think about it, but it seems (at least from memory) that in the (not too distant) past, "good" Hollywood actors were enlisted not for being good actors but almost as sort of stunt casting, like the hammy Hackman in Superman or a hammy Nicholson in Batman or a barely-there Brando in Superman. They weren't hired for their gravitas or whatever.

the not too distant past of Tim Burton's Batman (1989)

In recent years, though, you've got respectable actors more or less literally going from winning an Oscar one year to starring in a superhero movie the next, or older movie stars like Douglas, or Pfeiffer

...as opposed to the recent years of Tim Burton's Batman Returns (1992)

Also as just like a general thing to remind people who complain about comic book movie overkill, here's the complete list of theatrically-released Marvel feature films from the 20th Century (aka prior to X-Men in 2000):

Howard the Duck (1986)
Blade (1998)

FP'd the absolute motherfuck out of you for racism

u r gonna have to unpack that one for me, my man

AFI-award winning actor Barry Otto, in the distant past of 1985:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mser-xg4lrY/hqdefault.jpg

Barry Otto, in the recent year of 1989:

https://fanfest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/punisher-lundgren-1989.jpg

do they

there was a not-inconsiderable push to get Logan some awards consideration last year, no?

see also Wonder Woman

God, 'fondly' remember when a friend of mine got his hot little hands on a bootleg of Lundgren's Punisher at some convention, and sitting around watching this third-generation timestamped POS knowing full well that it was a POS but eagerly lapping it up because hey, at least we finally got something from Marvel.

(And subsequently being thoroughly unsurprised when the thing was released direct-to-video.)

direct-to-video

FP'd you again for exceptionalism

All sorts of Hollywood bullshit is nominated for awards every year. I don't see any major difference between something like, say, Training Day, and the more critically acclaimed superhero flicks

how quickly we forget jd salinger's son as captain america (1990), which i'm pretty sure got a theatrical release

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.internationalhero.co.uk%2Fc%2Fcaptainamericasalinger3.jpg&f=1

i watched that recently! i enjoyed it ... not as good as the corman fantastic four film but still worthy

matt salinger is a profoundly oaken screen presence tho

big time

FTR, I seem to have no problem with direct-to-video horror film releases from that era, but I apparently hold Marvel to a higher standard.

If we're opening the floodgates, though, leave us not forget this produced-yet-unreleased masterpiece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcpmM-eTESI

Ha, I see that it was already mentioned as I was composing my post. Of course it was.

still better than josh trank's effort

Well then how about this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNBRum247m0

hasselhoff was actually... okay in that iirc?

couple of things are getting scrambled up here --

* bresson and bergman as stand-ins for extremely serious, important makers of films that speak abt the human condition and have stood the test of time.

* the academy awards ("oscars"), an annual trade event where hollywood votes for its own and some other things; in some sense the equivalent of the "best southeastern regional concrete sales rep" but also sometimes a shorthand for high-quality work in and near a hollywood mode. bresson won no oscars; bergman won three plus a lifetime achievement one.

* moviegoers and critics who watch various kinds of movies, praising Logan as being a well-made genre picture with some good performances, and found room for it in end-of-year lists including oscar predictions (comparing it not so much to Moonlight etc. as to Alien Covenant and John Wick 2).

* ppl who primarily watch blockbusters and franchise stuff, who feel it is unappreciated as a Great Movie ("up there with Shawshank Redemption and Reservoir Dogs!"), and/or their avatars in print and web media whose role it is to generate endless content surrounding high-profile franchises, along the lines of "ten ways you didn't realize Logan was a secret western!" and "ethan hawke SLAMS superhero movies in major diss to fans!"

neither of these last two groups are talking about bresson or bergman, but hawke's quote is i think directed at the last group for giving some superhero movies the highest praise they have from their POV - they're talking about Logan as if it were a much better film because they don't watch many better films, in some measure because they've been crowded out of theaters. thus he may also be annoyed at the critical establishment for seeming to back them up and depriving attention from stuff that actually needed help at the box office. this would be a genuine problem for someone hawke-esque (if he were not massively rich, iirc through a stake in some franchise or other?) who wants to get tougher movies made and seen. but the bresson thing is obviously hyperbole and shouldn't bog us down.

All right, I'm goin' deep here in pursuit of something universally objectionable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s70h5BKCHxE

knew what that would be before clicking through in Flagging to display the youtube window

Good breakdown there, Doc C.

Hawke is granted powers by a cosmic entity and flies onscreen in First Reformed iirc

god this is giving me major flashbacks to reading endless breathless speculation about marvel movies in wizard xxp

DC otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SNlWYbcDrc

Feeling you as always, bg. Dug out my Wizard horde from my mom's recently and now they're in my home and I don't know exactly why.

actually this is basically Speedball turning into Penance afaiu

(I have read one Ditko Speedball comic and 0 Penance comics)

https://fathersonholygore.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/first-reformed19.png

first reformed spoiler

There's nothing in the prequel that will come as a surprise to anyone who's already seen Reformed.

the brave move would have been coming out against the middlebrow awards bait which is also stealing oxygen from smaller films

like really giving Darkest Hour the business

Dug out my Wizard horde from my mom's recently and now they're in my home and I don't know exactly why.

Here u go, please take the totems of a teenage shut-in depresso with the blessing of a middle-aged shut-in depresso.

Tell me, do you have room for some pogs

All sorts of Hollywood bullshit is nominated for awards every year. I don't see any major difference between something like, say, Training Day, and the more critically acclaimed superhero flicks

― Number None, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:40 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

training day is a good movie

logan or black panther or avengers are good comic book movies

it's all pulp

yeah look i get it but none of the comic movies transcend the capes and the dialogue tbh

fine with me

watchmen aside obv

birdman count?

Do you know what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning? DO YOU?

jesus christ its direct threats now is it

training day is risible guff elevated by a tremendous performance from denzel

yes

ive enjoyed most of the marvels et al but nobody elevated any of them that i can recall unforch