agreed, good stuff
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
I have no idea whether the Green New Deal will result in a federal climate law two or five or 10 years from now. The proposal clearly has momentum on the left. Since early November, I’ve seen the Green New Deal talked about as a story of Democrats in disarray, or as another example of the party’s turn toward socialism. Both analyses miss the mark. The Green New Deal is one of the most interesting—and strategic—left-wing policy interventions from the Democratic Party in years.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/12/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-winning-climate-strategy/576514/?fbclid=IwAR3jKPtZ-aU6c9ZbUWOJ1dH2YfvWiPLNb3zFbV9kZn27Pj3ExZejph9831U
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
AOC in congress is already more than I hoped for and she's not even in congress yet.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
ditto
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
joe manchin, ladies & gents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJORBRpOPM
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
reminds me of this classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
Green New Deal is a jobs program. Climate change won't be solved by solar rooftops in the 'hood. Maybe once we're screaming past 2° C in the 40s we'll get the universal and high carbon price (with mandatory tariffs against noncompliant nations/cheaters) that might actually rein in emissions.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
There isnt even a bill yet, how do u know whats in it
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
On a train to Philly on Monday I sat next to this guy who was talking on the phone about the Green New Deal and that it was "PR, not policy" and that they needed to come up with a sustainable policy that both sides could agree on and that he didn't have Pelosi's ear. I am dying to figure out who he was. I couldn't covertly read his laptop. All I know is that he has a daughter named Lily who was in trouble with her school for giving an exam or answers to another student (I also heard this conversation).
― Yerac, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
how do u know whats in it
Interview with Greg Carlock, lead author
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link
unless all they want from her is to own ppl on twitter,
Tbf, that's the only thing Trump is good at, and he's nominally president.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
when was the last time he convincingly owned anyone on twitter?
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
Well, I'm not convinced! But given we all hate him but still know all his catchphrases, nicknames, insults and putdowns - probably dozens at this point - he must be doing something right, even if we don't like it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
i don't remember any of his nicknames beyond "pocahontas"
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
they're all interchangeable adjectives
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link
that seemed to pour out indiscriminately from his almost entirely liquefied brain
Little Marco was good
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
what about Highly Conflicted Mueller & The Angry Democrats? Lyin' Ted Cruz?
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
Low Energy Jeb! Lying Ted! Very Conflicted Mueller! (They can't all be winners.)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
how soon we forget the only actually funny Trump nickname
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-replace-jim-mattis-new-nickname-moderate-dog-2018-9
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
Isn't it 10 Angry Democrats or something?
Lil Bob Corker, Adam Schitt.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
I will listen to this later but again, no bill has been introduced (Congress isn't even in session yet) so I am p skeptical of premature obituaries or dismissals. The New Deal wasn't just a single jobs bill and I doubt anything tackling an issue this big will be either.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
Crooked Hillary!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link
POLL
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
thanks for reminding me of all these terrible nicknames, except for "lyin' ted," i'll give him that one
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
He tried Crazy Bernie but it didn’t take.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
lol there is an actual wikipedia page that lists all of them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
I miss the days of GWB, Fart Blossom, etc.
― nickn, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
Turd Blossom!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:46 (five years ago) link
xpost LOL that list is like the new Garbage Pail Kids America deserves.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link
OK but my actual original point was, he stopped being able to make these up a while ago. he is no longer even good for that one thing he was almost never even any good at.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
I know he is the president and by definition newsworthy, but I will buy that the day I manage to go a week without hearing about any of his stupid tweets.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:10 (five years ago) link
I guess the counterpoint is that the one thing he is good at is being an asshole, and Twitter is merely his vector.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:11 (five years ago) link
"the 'hood" ?
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
none of his post-election taunts have caught on in any way. his tweets do numbers because he is a celebrity and the president. at this rate ppl who imitate him are better at taunts than he is
Bernie Sanders doesn’t need to worry about Beto, Trump’s gonna call him “Beta O’Dork” and it’ll all be over.— Goy Division/Jew Order (@ben_geier) December 7, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
beta o'rourke
― Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
Climate change won't be solved by solar rooftops in the 'hood.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, December 6, 2018 9:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
of course it won't. the GND is about shifting the horizon of american climate politics to put something like carbon pricing firmly in the realm of political possibility.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:44 (five years ago) link
Rob Meyer in that Atlantic piece pithily calls it 'politics by slogan,' but in the organizing tradition I come from we talked about it as campaigning on 'symbolic instrumental demands,' a way of framing demand targets that's all about calling for singular material changes while also serving to demonstrate the present limits of politics and activate the general public around something that feels bigger than the singular material change being called for. Stop KXL. Mini Wiconi. Medicare for All. Green New Deal. What the wonk puts in the bill matters, obviously, but no matter what winds up in eventual legislation GND is one move among others in a strategy, not a silver bullet.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:01 (five years ago) link
*mni lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:03 (five years ago) link
"politics by slogan" is good, ppl like it and it works
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
like where would "medicare for all" be right now if ppl hadn't started memeing "medicare for all"
yeah i think that is my/rob's point even if the phrase carries a whiff of dislike
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:07 (five years ago) link
we need a better slogan for it
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
"Policy memes"
yeah, the thing I like about "green new deal" as a policy meme/slogan/whatever is that it implies a sweeping, generation-defining level legislation, and any formal proposals down the line that fall short of that can very simply be accused of falling short of the obvious demand.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link
scribo en posternum xp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
there are a bunch of good points in the first section of this (i.e. up to "turnout watch")
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paloma/the-trailer/2018/12/06/the-trailer-how-the-left-is-already-writing-the-platform-for-2020-democrats/5c07ff011b326b60d1280128/?utm_term=.54a96bf260c1
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 December 2018 05:40 (five years ago) link
'Politics by Slogan' is great if its:
Medicare for All, Legalize Weed, Free College etc. These aren't slogans, these are tangible things easily labelled and conceptually understood
and bad if its:
I'm With Her, Yes We Can, I'm on Your Side, Lets Get To Work, Keep Calm and Carry On. vague shite that doesnt mean anything at all
― anvil, Friday, 7 December 2018 08:32 (five years ago) link