how do u know whats in it
Interview with Greg Carlock, lead author
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link
unless all they want from her is to own ppl on twitter,
Tbf, that's the only thing Trump is good at, and he's nominally president.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
when was the last time he convincingly owned anyone on twitter?
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
Well, I'm not convinced! But given we all hate him but still know all his catchphrases, nicknames, insults and putdowns - probably dozens at this point - he must be doing something right, even if we don't like it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
i don't remember any of his nicknames beyond "pocahontas"
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
they're all interchangeable adjectives
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link
that seemed to pour out indiscriminately from his almost entirely liquefied brain
Little Marco was good
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
what about Highly Conflicted Mueller & The Angry Democrats? Lyin' Ted Cruz?
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
Low Energy Jeb! Lying Ted! Very Conflicted Mueller! (They can't all be winners.)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
how soon we forget the only actually funny Trump nickname
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-replace-jim-mattis-new-nickname-moderate-dog-2018-9
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
Isn't it 10 Angry Democrats or something?
Lil Bob Corker, Adam Schitt.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
I will listen to this later but again, no bill has been introduced (Congress isn't even in session yet) so I am p skeptical of premature obituaries or dismissals. The New Deal wasn't just a single jobs bill and I doubt anything tackling an issue this big will be either.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
Crooked Hillary!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link
POLL
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
thanks for reminding me of all these terrible nicknames, except for "lyin' ted," i'll give him that one
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
He tried Crazy Bernie but it didn’t take.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
lol there is an actual wikipedia page that lists all of them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
I miss the days of GWB, Fart Blossom, etc.
― nickn, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
Turd Blossom!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:46 (five years ago) link
xpost LOL that list is like the new Garbage Pail Kids America deserves.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link
OK but my actual original point was, he stopped being able to make these up a while ago. he is no longer even good for that one thing he was almost never even any good at.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
I know he is the president and by definition newsworthy, but I will buy that the day I manage to go a week without hearing about any of his stupid tweets.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:10 (five years ago) link
I guess the counterpoint is that the one thing he is good at is being an asshole, and Twitter is merely his vector.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:11 (five years ago) link
"the 'hood" ?
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
none of his post-election taunts have caught on in any way. his tweets do numbers because he is a celebrity and the president. at this rate ppl who imitate him are better at taunts than he is
Bernie Sanders doesn’t need to worry about Beto, Trump’s gonna call him “Beta O’Dork” and it’ll all be over.— Goy Division/Jew Order (@ben_geier) December 7, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
beta o'rourke
― Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
Climate change won't be solved by solar rooftops in the 'hood.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, December 6, 2018 9:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
of course it won't. the GND is about shifting the horizon of american climate politics to put something like carbon pricing firmly in the realm of political possibility.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:44 (five years ago) link
Rob Meyer in that Atlantic piece pithily calls it 'politics by slogan,' but in the organizing tradition I come from we talked about it as campaigning on 'symbolic instrumental demands,' a way of framing demand targets that's all about calling for singular material changes while also serving to demonstrate the present limits of politics and activate the general public around something that feels bigger than the singular material change being called for. Stop KXL. Mini Wiconi. Medicare for All. Green New Deal. What the wonk puts in the bill matters, obviously, but no matter what winds up in eventual legislation GND is one move among others in a strategy, not a silver bullet.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:01 (five years ago) link
*mni lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:03 (five years ago) link
"politics by slogan" is good, ppl like it and it works
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
like where would "medicare for all" be right now if ppl hadn't started memeing "medicare for all"
yeah i think that is my/rob's point even if the phrase carries a whiff of dislike
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:07 (five years ago) link
we need a better slogan for it
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
"Policy memes"
yeah, the thing I like about "green new deal" as a policy meme/slogan/whatever is that it implies a sweeping, generation-defining level legislation, and any formal proposals down the line that fall short of that can very simply be accused of falling short of the obvious demand.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link
scribo en posternum xp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
there are a bunch of good points in the first section of this (i.e. up to "turnout watch")
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paloma/the-trailer/2018/12/06/the-trailer-how-the-left-is-already-writing-the-platform-for-2020-democrats/5c07ff011b326b60d1280128/?utm_term=.54a96bf260c1
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 December 2018 05:40 (five years ago) link
'Politics by Slogan' is great if its:
Medicare for All, Legalize Weed, Free College etc. These aren't slogans, these are tangible things easily labelled and conceptually understood
and bad if its:
I'm With Her, Yes We Can, I'm on Your Side, Lets Get To Work, Keep Calm and Carry On. vague shite that doesnt mean anything at all
― anvil, Friday, 7 December 2018 08:32 (five years ago) link
Yes We Can was successful iirc
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:39 (five years ago) link
Feel the Bern was pretty succesful as well. In fact, those are two different kinds of slogans, and whoever wins the nomination will probably use both...
― Frederik B, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:47 (five years ago) link
Indeed it was! for the electorate of 2008 it was more than sufficient, but for 2020 we need something tangible
― anvil, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:57 (five years ago) link
someone save my life today, fancy bear, cozy bear?
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link
Feel the Bern was terrible
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 December 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link
The originator of Feel The Bern still has "Momma of #FeelTheBern" in her bio and I wish she did not
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
the boss emails to say he's in with the congressional progressive caucus this morning and there's a lot happening to put GND folks in dialogue with CPCers that've focused on infrastructure, which feels smart and good
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
yes, that is the way to go
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
perhaps relatedhttps://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/07/democrats-climate-change-infrastructure-schumer-1049704
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link