Turd Blossom!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:46 (five years ago) link
xpost LOL that list is like the new Garbage Pail Kids America deserves.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link
OK but my actual original point was, he stopped being able to make these up a while ago. he is no longer even good for that one thing he was almost never even any good at.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
I know he is the president and by definition newsworthy, but I will buy that the day I manage to go a week without hearing about any of his stupid tweets.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:10 (five years ago) link
I guess the counterpoint is that the one thing he is good at is being an asshole, and Twitter is merely his vector.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:11 (five years ago) link
"the 'hood" ?
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
none of his post-election taunts have caught on in any way. his tweets do numbers because he is a celebrity and the president. at this rate ppl who imitate him are better at taunts than he is
Bernie Sanders doesn’t need to worry about Beto, Trump’s gonna call him “Beta O’Dork” and it’ll all be over.— Goy Division/Jew Order (@ben_geier) December 7, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
beta o'rourke
― Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
Climate change won't be solved by solar rooftops in the 'hood.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, December 6, 2018 9:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
of course it won't. the GND is about shifting the horizon of american climate politics to put something like carbon pricing firmly in the realm of political possibility.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:44 (five years ago) link
Rob Meyer in that Atlantic piece pithily calls it 'politics by slogan,' but in the organizing tradition I come from we talked about it as campaigning on 'symbolic instrumental demands,' a way of framing demand targets that's all about calling for singular material changes while also serving to demonstrate the present limits of politics and activate the general public around something that feels bigger than the singular material change being called for. Stop KXL. Mini Wiconi. Medicare for All. Green New Deal. What the wonk puts in the bill matters, obviously, but no matter what winds up in eventual legislation GND is one move among others in a strategy, not a silver bullet.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:01 (five years ago) link
*mni lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:03 (five years ago) link
"politics by slogan" is good, ppl like it and it works
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
like where would "medicare for all" be right now if ppl hadn't started memeing "medicare for all"
yeah i think that is my/rob's point even if the phrase carries a whiff of dislike
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:07 (five years ago) link
we need a better slogan for it
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
"Policy memes"
yeah, the thing I like about "green new deal" as a policy meme/slogan/whatever is that it implies a sweeping, generation-defining level legislation, and any formal proposals down the line that fall short of that can very simply be accused of falling short of the obvious demand.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link
scribo en posternum xp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
there are a bunch of good points in the first section of this (i.e. up to "turnout watch")
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paloma/the-trailer/2018/12/06/the-trailer-how-the-left-is-already-writing-the-platform-for-2020-democrats/5c07ff011b326b60d1280128/?utm_term=.54a96bf260c1
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 December 2018 05:40 (five years ago) link
'Politics by Slogan' is great if its:
Medicare for All, Legalize Weed, Free College etc. These aren't slogans, these are tangible things easily labelled and conceptually understood
and bad if its:
I'm With Her, Yes We Can, I'm on Your Side, Lets Get To Work, Keep Calm and Carry On. vague shite that doesnt mean anything at all
― anvil, Friday, 7 December 2018 08:32 (five years ago) link
Yes We Can was successful iirc
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:39 (five years ago) link
Feel the Bern was pretty succesful as well. In fact, those are two different kinds of slogans, and whoever wins the nomination will probably use both...
― Frederik B, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:47 (five years ago) link
Indeed it was! for the electorate of 2008 it was more than sufficient, but for 2020 we need something tangible
― anvil, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:57 (five years ago) link
someone save my life today, fancy bear, cozy bear?
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link
Feel the Bern was terrible
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 December 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link
The originator of Feel The Bern still has "Momma of #FeelTheBern" in her bio and I wish she did not
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
the boss emails to say he's in with the congressional progressive caucus this morning and there's a lot happening to put GND folks in dialogue with CPCers that've focused on infrastructure, which feels smart and good
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
yes, that is the way to go
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
perhaps relatedhttps://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/07/democrats-climate-change-infrastructure-schumer-1049704
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
Never believe a sentence that contains the words "Schumer" and "insist."
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
I will vote for any democratic presidential nominee who says “clean coal is bullshit”
― Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
well a) it's highly unlikely that the GOP will actually put forward any infrastructure package at all afaict, and b) I dunno that Schumer has such control over his caucus that he could deny the GOP the necessary 60 votes if climate change measures are not included
BUT
it is good that Schumer is (accurately) reading the temperature of the broader Democratic party on this issue
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
i lol'd
pic.twitter.com/nrms5m2d08— Ron DOV (@rez512) December 7, 2018
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link
she's not a rapper
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
twitter the creator
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:56 (five years ago) link
Ryan Cooper invites the slugfest.
This doesn't need to be some gentlemanly parlor discussion, where everyone agrees to disagree and shake hands afterwards. The politics of health care, financial regulation, foreign policy, and so on have enormous moral stakes. Liberals and leftists generally disagree on Medicare-for-all versus ObamaCare, whether big banks should be broken up, whether America's imperial machinery should be drastically scaled back, and much more. It will likely get pretty heated and personal, and that is simply to be expected.It also can't just be policy details alone — there is probably no way of keeping various personal stories and dirt out of it. But those should also be a topic of discussion, if for no other reason that they will certainly be raised by Trump and his Republican toadies, and whoever faces him should be ready for it. All-out personal feuding is poor strategy, as it may depress turnout on the left, but neither should people's foibles be considered out of bounds.At any rate, it's going to be a rough 18 months or so before someone comes out on top. But there is no way out but through. Let's lace up and slug it out.
It also can't just be policy details alone — there is probably no way of keeping various personal stories and dirt out of it. But those should also be a topic of discussion, if for no other reason that they will certainly be raised by Trump and his Republican toadies, and whoever faces him should be ready for it. All-out personal feuding is poor strategy, as it may depress turnout on the left, but neither should people's foibles be considered out of bounds.
At any rate, it's going to be a rough 18 months or so before someone comes out on top. But there is no way out but through. Let's lace up and slug it out.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
looking forward to centrist democrats in safe seats getting primaried from the left in 2020
👀👀 https://t.co/haCrzfam0c— we're going to abolish ICE (@SeanMcElwee) December 16, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 16 December 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link
that’s what happened in my district...
― maura, Monday, 17 December 2018 00:25 (five years ago) link
i'm excited to see indivisible taking this tack, i have to admit that i'd been assuming post-18 they'd be sliding comfortably into being mass mobilization shock troops for the center left
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 December 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
(which i'd guess is what sean's getting at with the 👀)
Yeah that was my read too
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 17 December 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
When you lose them it’s happening
i interviewed there back in early 17 and again in mid 17 (they were pretty disorganized at the start, but that's the game), and back they were very wary about even approaching the midterms as a subject to new hires, as opposed to strictly being a resistance machine -- impressive to see them be able to shift back and forth between protest mobilization & vote-getting, can say from experience it's real hard for an org to move between those functions & carry a membership along the way
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
Impeachment is maybe the #1 issue that showed how little DC GOP strategists understood the Dem base. Plenty of them assured me that Dem primary voters who make impeachment a litmus test in primaries. And, nope. https://t.co/OJ76AQDv6Z— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) December 17, 2018
who = would
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
(that's in response to this)
NEW: Nancy PELOSI is winning a fight to suppress impeachment fervor among Democrats. She’s convinced them to focus on protecting MUELLER and waiting for his findings.Even those who voted to debate impeachment now suggest patience. Story w/ @dsamuelsohn https://t.co/xU7jMi3PRV— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) December 17, 2018
Democratic leaders on Thursday tapped Rep. Kathy Castor (D-Fla.) to head a revived U.S. House panel on climate change, ending a dramatic monthlong effort to establish a select committee on a Green New Deal.Castor’s appointment came as a surprise to proponents of a Green New Deal. The move also kicked off a controversy as the six-term congresswoman dismissed calls to bar members who accept money from fossil fuel companies from serving on the committee, arguing it would violate free speech rights. Despite weeks of protests demanding House Democrats focus efforts next year on drafting a Green New Deal, the sort of sweeping economic policy that scientists say matches the scale of the climate crisis, Castor told E&E News the plan was “not going to be our sole focus.”She then suggested that barring members who have accepted donations from the oil, gas and coal industries from serving on the committee could be unconstitutional. “I don’t think you can do that under the First Amendment, really,” she said.That reasoning echoed arguments Exxon Mobil Corp. made in court as recently as this year to defend its funding of right-wing think tanks that deliberately produced misinformation about climate science to stymie government action on global warming.
Castor’s appointment came as a surprise to proponents of a Green New Deal. The move also kicked off a controversy as the six-term congresswoman dismissed calls to bar members who accept money from fossil fuel companies from serving on the committee, arguing it would violate free speech rights.
Despite weeks of protests demanding House Democrats focus efforts next year on drafting a Green New Deal, the sort of sweeping economic policy that scientists say matches the scale of the climate crisis, Castor told E&E News the plan was “not going to be our sole focus.”
She then suggested that barring members who have accepted donations from the oil, gas and coal industries from serving on the committee could be unconstitutional.
“I don’t think you can do that under the First Amendment, really,” she said.
That reasoning echoed arguments Exxon Mobil Corp. made in court as recently as this year to defend its funding of right-wing think tanks that deliberately produced misinformation about climate science to stymie government action on global warming.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/kathy-castor-climate_us_5c1c0843e4b08aaf7a869cfd
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:54 (five years ago) link
Not the best outcome
― Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 02:31 (five years ago) link
At least she's from Florida, the most exposed state to the catastrophic effects of human-caused climate change. That's marginally better than some Midwestern rep. But, yeah, not the best outcome.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 03:26 (five years ago) link
oh cool Castor's from Tampa! Her district will drown first.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link
lol
By withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan you are condemning millions of women to the Stone Age. No education, no choice about who they marry. They will become property when the Taliban takes over. Is that what you really want Ro? https://t.co/7VR9ZJUz8W— Howard Dean (@GovHowardDean) December 21, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 21 December 2018 11:41 (five years ago) link