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Which is more lucrative, writing puff pieces for Nazi businessmen or coming third in the Mercury Music Prize every other year?

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:14 (seven months ago) link

they're a mid-70s offshoot of IS (which underwent many splits at that time: what was left evolved into the swp): the revolutionary communist party then split from the revolutionary communist group* over tactics relating to anti-apartheid (ribald voice from the back: "yes, furedi was pro! etc etc haw haw") -- its organ "living marxism" (so-called bcz everyone else's was declared dead) was active until the mid-90s, when a journalist they libelled during the yugoslav civil war sued it to extinction. they were rebooting at this time as radical libtertarian cyberlefties anyway -- they ran and made a lot of cash from the early internet cafe cyberia -- and (presumably cynically) adapted to harmonise with the tech flavour of libertarianism instead. even in the early 90s the other trot orgs mocked them as a yuppie party

*according to wikipedia, the RCG's paper fight racism! fight imperialism! is still running for nearly 40 years, tho it's a LOOOOONG time since i've seen a copy on sale. rumours that Spiked! is abt to be renamed don't fight racism! don't fight imperialism! are too funny to ignore

mark s, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:34 (seven months ago) link

a couple of them (as students) wrote for me at the wire! but both seem -- via the magick of goggle -- to have evolved into entirely ordinary leftish academics no longer tangled in such garbage

mark s, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:36 (seven months ago) link

Glad somebody had a happy ending

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:38 (seven months ago) link

most of that is in monbiot's article now i read it -- this line ("In 1974, the International Socialists split after a dispute over arithmetic in Volume 3 of Das Kapital") is amusing but misleading. all spilts in the IS were abt personality clashes among the leadership, and every single splinter-sect coalesced round a different egomaniac

mark s, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:41 (seven months ago) link

here's the section on the IS/RCG/RCP split in john sullivan's classic 1988 essay on fissiparous UK trots (very dated, the whole thing is still worth reading)*:
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/critiques/sullivan/pub-7rcgrcp.html

*no one was rightwing at this point, tho there were likely a great many mutual accusations to this effect all the same

mark s, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:24 (seven months ago) link

It's no Fools and Horses

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:27 (seven months ago) link

Brendan O'Neill looks like a lovechild Frasier would deny

Looool perfect.

The Village Defibrillator (Mr Andy M), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:37 (seven months ago) link

I feel like this sort of forensic takedown of what Spiked are about and how they function (which I know Monbiot has been doing for a while now) is a better way to deal with them than the approach I see from a lot of leftist commentators on Twitter, where it always seems to be 'Oh no, look at this new horrible thing Brendan O'Neill has written' with 50 retweets - which just gives them what they want I think?

The Village Defibrillator (Mr Andy M), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:40 (seven months ago) link

Of course it does, like when fuckwits kept giving Katie Hopkins the attention she craved

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:44 (seven months ago) link

This whole thing is so transparent, the endless feedback loop of wankers DESTROYING other wankers. I notice I haven't seen many of my Canary-following friends bigging up Jonathan Pieface lately, but it was obvious from day one what an unfunny useless arsehole he was

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:48 (seven months ago) link

I heard this typically unfunny cunt on R4 last week called Geoff Norcott. His unique schtick was that he's a comedian and a Tory voter like as if ho ho ho what an absolute enigma, a comedian whose politics absolutely suck shit.

calzino, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:55 (seven months ago) link

I feel like this sort of forensic takedown of what Spiked are about and how they function (which I know Monbiot has been doing for a while now) is a better way to deal with them than the approach I see from a lot of leftist commentators on Twitter, where it always seems to be 'Oh no, look at this new horrible thing Brendan O'Neill has written' with 50 retweets - which just gives them what they want I think?

I'm not sure they need retweets when one of them is on national TV or radio almost literally every day.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:31 (seven months ago) link

Can't believe Merrick would be so let down by her favourite feminist PM pic.twitter.com/LrgGwIgRjm

— Sam ✌️ (@samisam147) December 12, 2018

🙃

These takes are so mad considering there was a fuss about May being Home Sec/Minister for Equalities & Women despite having opposed gay marriage in the past and endorsing splitting up families and detaining people in hellish immigration centres. Not to mention austerity notably hitting women harder. Still, those shoes, eh?

Nb: I have always thought her shoes are terrible.

gyac, Thursday, 13 December 2018 11:57 (seven months ago) link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p06sbrpd/jonathan-pies-american-pie

conrad, Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:34 (seven months ago) link

This mocku-docu-mentary is Louis Theroux meets Alan Partridge meets the Koch brothers.

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:36 (seven months ago) link

happy xmas noodle vague

conrad, Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:37 (seven months ago) link

Rebecca Nicholson in the Guardian is not a fan of the Jonathan Pie special

Partridge is funny because he is pathetic and human; Pie just has a sneering superiority complex. Theroux offers insight because he listens to people; Pie has too many scores to settle to offer an impartial ear.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/dec/13/tv-review-jonathan-pie-american-pie

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:40 (seven months ago) link

Are you still struggling to justify voting for Jeremy Corbyn? This should help. Destitute, self-pitying, public school pervert, Toby Young says that a Corbyn government will mean he has to sell his house! pic.twitter.com/Yy9VIEK9Wy

— John Spiers (@squeezyjohn) December 13, 2018

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:22 (seven months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuTW1OqX4AAhKwL.jpg

beautiful.

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:24 (seven months ago) link

Stick that on posters the length and breadth of the land - Young's face on the left, this text on the right - Labour landslide.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:45 (seven months ago) link

I knew he was butthurt about losing the education post when he was presenting a R4 program about Character and repeatedly kept mentioning how he was hounded out of a job by the twitter mob. But didn't realise he'd managed to poison all the other wells he was drinking from, apart from the fucking Spectator of course!

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:51 (seven months ago) link

I'll say a prayer for Toby (that he ends up homeless and dies on the streets).

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:57 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

God I hate Jimmy Bollix SO MUCH.

Stepping in to defend journalists at the Mail & Sun:

This is predictably getting piled-on (the irony of complaining about abuse and its dangers when you cause frequent abusive pile-ons aside) – but: plenty of journalists who do great, public interest work holding power to account started at newspapers OJ and co don't approve of. https://t.co/nERSyRcy5t

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

Personally I'm referring to people who directly write articles whipping up hatred against minorities and women.

— Owen Jones🌹 (@OwenJones84) January 14, 2019

OJ offers the above as clarification AND THEN:

Other reasons people can find themselves at such outlets: people’s politics change, people grow up with Tory parents, people come from local news and get offered a secondment to a National their group owns that you’d be mad to then down, etc

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

People may then change their view (none of which wd excuse writing the hateful stuff, but as has been noted, many don’t). Or not change their view but do we really hold someone doing casual sports shifts equal to Rod Liddle? And if our bar is that high aren’t readers on the hook?

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

He’s such an awful cunt, how does he even have a job?!

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 15:37 (six months ago) link

who wouldn't jump at the chance to earn a living inciting hatred if it meant secondment to a thriving national newspaper?

moaty, boaty, big and bloaty (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 January 2019 17:24 (six months ago) link

Am I being oversimplistic or are all the people scolding other writers for being choosy about which outlets they write for, straight and white?

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:32 (six months ago) link

I don’t think JB is?

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:40 (six months ago) link

I’m on a fair few FB groups for journalists/freelancers and many of the members write for Sun/Mail etc and of those, most of them HATE Owen Jones (I think they would all sell their grannies for his profile TBH but I’m sick of them saying he wouldn’t last a week in a newsroom blah blah blah).

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:16 (six months ago) link

Yeah that doesn’t surprise me given how openly contemptuous a lot of the higher profile ones are on twitter. And definitely part jealousy but also the politics.

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:19 (six months ago) link

Journo groups: GO HADLEY GO, BODY HIM
Twitter: Fuck off, Hadley, you’re a TERF

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 22:08 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Poor old @CampbellClaret, hero of the Iraq War, still can’t cope with the fact that he can no longer tell the BBC what they can and cannot broadcast. The rest of us (and the people of bombable nations) are relieved. Go for a run, Al, you’ve done enough harm. https://t.co/VmnSX4z70S

— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) February 7, 2019

good retort imo.

calzino, Thursday, 7 February 2019 08:58 (five months ago) link

Fuck them both.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Thursday, 7 February 2019 15:16 (five months ago) link

yep, they'd both probably argue to the death they have nothing in common but Hitch is just a 1914 time-travel version of the same type of odious twat.

calzino, Thursday, 7 February 2019 15:39 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

I made the mistake of checking his "satirical" account and it's even worse than I feared

...he says, while saying what he wants (and plugging his book) in a national newspaper pic.twitter.com/qfhdC8wI1B

— Emma Hughes (@emmahdhughes) March 7, 2019

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2019 08:59 (four months ago) link

it's quite shrill and witless and I would actually laugh if it was funny. Melts and conservatives need to develop some self-awareness before attempting satire.

calzino, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:08 (four months ago) link

(Right thread this time)
Isn’t he one of those Sp1k3d cunts?

gyac, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:18 (four months ago) link

it's too scattershot, like it's trying to simultaneously parody FBPE liberals and die-hard I-stand-with-Chris-Williamson Corbynistas and pop-intersectionalists when these are all fairly distinct groups?

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:22 (four months ago) link

they're all snowflakes tbf

Mike Skeavee (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:23 (four months ago) link

"The genius of Titania McGrath | The Spectator"

talk about easily impressed, they must be the types that shit their pants with laughter at dominic holland.

calzino, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:24 (four months ago) link

I mean they pay Taki to praise the Wehrmacht and Rod Liddle to write about black people, so this is evidently the height of wit for that crowd.

gyac, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:25 (four months ago) link

where's that Prison Paul "conservatives are getting good at comedy and liberals are scared" meme when you need it

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:31 (four months ago) link

Just spent 10 mins reading the Titania McGrath Twitter feed. There is plenty to be parodied on woke Twitter, yet it never seems to hit the mark, obviously because this guy doesn't want to get it, and neither do his audience.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:32 (four months ago) link

have there been any actually-funny British right wing pundits since Auberon Waugh died?

it's notable how the Spectator manages to have so many 'funny' columnists who are never actually funny (Tanya Gold is funny, but she doesn't seem particularly right wing?)

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:47 (four months ago) link

one big difference between Waugh and Rod Liddle/Toby Young/James Delingpole etc is that the latter rhetorically position themselves as being on the side of the masses against the sneering elites where Waugh proudly identified with the sneering elite, I don't think there's a space for someone like Waugh today, that old conservative elite contempt and revulsion for for fast food and pop music and TV etc maybe doesn't exist anymore?

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:55 (four months ago) link

JRM though?

gyac, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:57 (four months ago) link

his schtick is more of a cutesy affectation of being baffled by pop culture though, I don't think he expresses disgust for it in same way that the old-school types did

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:04 (four months ago) link

Always preferred Peter Simple (Michael Wharton) to Auberon Waugh myself, some of Wharton's stuff was staggeringly funny. Their writing careers more or less overlapped and indeed Waugh took over the Peter Simple column after Wharton retired. But yes, Wharton was another sneering conservative elite type.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:04 (four months ago) link

Roger Scruton is often old-fashioned-elitist conservative, but is never funny. For example

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34801885

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:12 (four months ago) link

jonathan meades is the name you're all kind of searching for, not that he's a pundit, or conservative in any manner that's in vogue

imago, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:17 (four months ago) link

he's not a conservative, small or large C, in any sense

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:20 (four months ago) link


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