This might be the best trap-album I've heard since Culture. Yeah, it's a lot like Travis Scott, but more rhythmically varied. The way the drums are mixed in a track like 200MPH is almost psychedelic. Love it!
If Post Malone has the same thing, I should listen to more Post Malone :) I do kinda like his singles, but they're not as good as this.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 29 December 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link
he's hot and looks good in expensive streetwear
v true!
― dyl, Saturday, 29 December 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
d-40, confused - was your skepticism summed up by a woman saying she liked a record?
If you’re not Spanish-fluent and you love this and hate post malone idgi
i don't really try to listen to post malone, not my cup of tea. i love future in general (except juice wlrd album - no) but.. he sounds so unhappy all the time. totally different feeling.
do speak a little spanish, understand better than i speak. actively working on it - but to understand song lyrics I def have to look up translations, which helps fill in what i didn't catch. but translations of lyrics are awful, they're just plugged in from google translate. flat and far less creative and funny than the original, so i compare back and forth. suppose i can learn to swear fluently while i'm at it.
― ¯\_(🏈 )_/¯ (daria-g), Saturday, 29 December 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
I can help you translate a couple of his songs if you want me to
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 29 December 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link
Yes, the only possible objection I could have to “best thing I heard in a long time” is that you’re a woman, exactly
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 29 December 2018 23:42 (five years ago) link
So what I’m hearing is a bunch of people who don’t listen to current rap and don’t know what post malone sounds like have decided this is great. Got it
This might be the best trap-album I've heard since Culture.
I’m not the world’s biggest Travis Scott fan but this is not better than his album. Lol
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 29 December 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link
it seemed weird to me to have said little more than i like this album & someone drops in pointing at me like this is exactly why i'm skeptical. por que?
heh. nah i'm good. not everything translates. spanish would be my third language & ime even if i didn't have to look up some words, it isn't the same as being a native speaker of a language & really getting cultural references - to puerto rico in particular, to musical genres that were popular at a specific time and place.
― ¯\_(🏈 )_/¯ (daria-g), Sunday, 30 December 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
only like 5 ppl have posted in this thread so far, all of whom seem to be familiar-to-fanatical re: current rap music and are well aware of what post malone sounds like? where is the overwhelming and undeserved enthusiasm for this record that you're referring to coming from?
― dyl, Sunday, 30 December 2018 07:13 (five years ago) link
I also prefer it to Damn ¯\_('^')_/¯
― Frederik B, Sunday, 30 December 2018 07:58 (five years ago) link
I just really like the drums, maaaaan
― Frederik B, Sunday, 30 December 2018 07:59 (five years ago) link
This argument would be both tedious and predictable even if the Travis Scott album were somehow critically underappreciated which it clearly is not.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 30 December 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
Critically underappreciated has nothing to do with it in responding to the claim this is somehow the best trap album since “culture”.
But for that matter What makes this better than Lil baby’s “harder than ever”? Gunna’s “drip season 3”? can someone even evaluate if they are vaguely making out lyrical content in a genre built around elaborate lyrical interplay that’s intertextual & working between local & broader cultural lingo?
Multiple ppl on this thread said they haven’t even heard post malone (somehow) that doesn’t sound very familiar w rap music
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
I’m not even opposed to the idea that this album is as good as everyone is saying (though compostionally this feels several steps down from the Travis Scott at least) based on some especially great writing that’s going over my head as an English speaker but I’m not going to listen to ppl who aren’t appreciating it on that level either tell me this is the best trap album in two years .. how could you even know?
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
I'm Danish. All the rap I hear is in a second language (except Malk de Koijn. Sigh...) And honestly, I don't give a fuck if you listen to me or not, I'm just writing my opinions on a message board. Who cares what you think?
― Frederik B, Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
xpost re: post malone, i've heard him, but i don't listen to him. why not try listening to more than anglophone artists
album still 🔥🔥🔥
carola romeraestamos bien
― Дарья (daria-g), Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
better than damn would certainly be pushing it for me... to say the least, lol. about on the level of a lil baby full-length seems about right. which is good imo!
Multiple ppl on this thread said they haven’t even heard post malone (somehow)
i reread the thread to see if perhaps i had misread but nope, this is not actually what was said at all lol, and am finding it hard to believe that this is what you actually believe was meant by those users who mentioned him.
going back to your initial posts, since that's where post malone first came up here...
Except that it’s in Spanish and the descendants of “rap is just about hoes and bling” love anything that’s like rap but slightly different
is this what's really going on here? i won't be obtuse enough to deny the latter part of this sentence refers to a v real phenomenon but you really think being in spanish helps to gain acceptance among those types? latin trap is generally pretty inseparable from a pretty narrow brand of machismo and the types you are referring to are not exactly known for their affinity for hypermasculine music/images from members of racialized groups.
so if this phenom is actually in play, what's helping assuage the typical hesitation? is it his shorts? the nails? his clumsy but '''endearing''' gesturing toward a contemporary feminist cause? i have trouble believing it's the language/barrier, as most rap-anxious whites do not even listen to the lyrics of english-language rap music before deciding it's offputting. (it could even be the drake collab, or perhaps even a feature of the music not related to image-production.)
like, idk. afaict most of the ppl who are enthusiastically discussing this album (not here, b/c little discussion of the album itself is going on) are already pretty familiar with latin trap and spanish-language music more broadly and still consider it to be a noteworthy release. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― dyl, Monday, 31 December 2018 00:37 (five years ago) link
i don't really try to listen to post malone
If Post Malone has the same thing, I should listen to more Post Malone :)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 31 December 2018 03:20 (five years ago) link
I’m not saying it’s not noteworthy even I’m just questioning absurd hyperbole like “best trap album since culture” (culture isn’t even the best trap album since culture)
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 31 December 2018 03:23 (five years ago) link
fuck deej you like Travis Scott now? thought i was still safe hating/mostly ignoring him
― flopson, Monday, 31 December 2018 03:32 (five years ago) link
ILX's bad boy upset by the use of casual hyperbole to describe an encounter with music on I Love Music.
Snark aside, what is the best trap album since Culture?
xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 03:33 (five years ago) link
woahwoah we calling TS albums “compositionally good” now??
― flopson, Monday, 31 December 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link
Article in the wake of the killing of openly gay trapero Kevin Fret in Puerto Rico last week:
https://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/article/ev3yjm/kevin-frets-death-highlights-latin-traps-homophobia-problem
Posting it here because Bad Bunny is mentioned in the article (Anuel AA plays a part in this story too).
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 17 January 2019 12:27 (five years ago) link
this video is quite old news now but i still like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg64AFnRnkc
― dyl, Thursday, 14 March 2019 05:15 (five years ago) link
huh i didnt know thats what he looked like
― flopson, Thursday, 14 March 2019 07:06 (five years ago) link
nobody:#BadBunny: pic.twitter.com/TSeWhqsvwV— chaaa 🍒 (@charis_edian) March 8, 2019
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 14 March 2019 09:51 (five years ago) link
There’s also a video w/ a little kid as Bad Bunny
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 March 2019 12:53 (five years ago) link
Don’t tell me he makes out with him at the end as well.
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 14 March 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link
la cancion is a really excellent song, my god
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGnCt-gT44
― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Saturday, 17 August 2019 05:18 (four years ago) link
https://jezebel.com/bad-bunny-used-his-fallon-performance-to-spotlight-the-1841974571
Really enjoying his new album as well.
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 29 February 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link
is he still bad and overhyped by those who only like(d) his music for being hip rap music in spanish?
― dyl, Saturday, 29 February 2020 17:17 (four years ago) link
please let’s not invite ilx’s bad bunny back to this thread
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 29 February 2020 20:48 (four years ago) link
Damn sorry for asking for ppl to not uncritically moon over stuff itt
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 1 March 2020 01:50 (four years ago) link
new album is pretty solid, very consistent for 20 songs. so far, it doesn't have the highs of x100, and it probably suffers from lack of callaita, and tainy, in . kinda funny, i listened to the album in full without looking at the credits, and three of the four tracks that immediately stood out to me were tainy productions.
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 18:05 (four years ago) link
*tainy, in general
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
generally agree with that take. I think even the tracks that come off as filler right now will grow on me as Vete and Ignorantes did. standouts so far: La Dificil, Solia, A Tu Merced, Safaera, 25/8
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
yeah, safaera is a highlight for me too. the 'la romana' of the new one, though it doesn't reach those heights.
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link
Yes, good but uneven and not quite the heights of last one , sounds right.
Forgot BB had own thread & commented on Rolling reggaeton and more one
Rolling Afro-Latin Music 2020: Reggaeton, Salsa, Bomba, Latin Jazz, Bachata, Merengue, Urbano and more Latinx
― curmudgeon, Friday, 6 March 2020 16:00 (four years ago) link
no mention yet of the arguably already-iconic "yo perreo sola" video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtSRKwDCaZM
― dyl, Sunday, 14 June 2020 04:47 (three years ago) link
Not super into the new album. Too many guitars, not enough straight-ahead bangers (although obviously that's the point).
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 5 December 2020 23:53 (three years ago) link
i've found i enjoy it if i ignore everything before "dákiti". not sure what the last track is doing there but i like it too
― dyl, Sunday, 6 December 2020 01:28 (three years ago) link
this thread completely died after early enthusiasts on here were informed that maybe-kinda-liking his first album wasn't as woke as they perhaps thought :( lol
oh well at least he's still putting out good music and might be better-known now than ever
― dyl, Sunday, 6 December 2020 01:32 (three years ago) link
Indeed. He was the #1 most streamed artist on Spotify this year.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Sunday, 6 December 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link
La difícil was my top played track on spotify for this year
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:42 (three years ago) link
coming round on the album, it's good actually
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Friday, 11 December 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
"yonaguni" song and video both really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doLMt10ytHY
― dyl, Sunday, 6 June 2021 03:56 (two years ago) link
yep.
As the westernmost inhabited island of Japan, Yonaguni has also been constantly associated with the myth of the island of women (Nyōgo no Shima) since the Edo period.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 04:54 (two years ago) link
im listening to this too much.
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link
un verano sin ti is so compulsively listenable
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 July 2022 22:42 (one year ago) link
it is
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 8 July 2022 06:19 (one year ago) link
Black Puerto Rican reggaeton pioneer Tego Calderon not getting his due attention and not acknowledging the reasons for it, or the struggles Tego endured, is more than an "US centric problem"
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 April 2023 04:48 (one year ago) link
I also feel like the practice of not rendering interviews fully, but picking and choosing extracts in the frame the journalist chooses is super disrespectful. If you're taking apart a conversation, you're also killing it. And the reader is forced to accept a narrative, can't check the context, only invited to have ephemeral emotional reactions, and the artist goes from subject to object. And yes, tweets reacting to past declarations being quoted together with fresh declarations by the artist, wtf ?
To Jordan S: Yes, but that's also the job of the journalist to have thought about it, instead of trying to trip the artist into a sensitive debate and see if he doesn't say something clumsy. "What role has colorism played in the reggaeton industry" sounds more like a question for a university thesis. I'm doubting the honesty and genuine interest of the journalist.
― Nabozo, Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:33 (one year ago) link
I will also say that he gave me the exact same answer three years ago. He’s had time to educate himself since then—as he’s already done wrt other issues. As journalists, we should not uncritically accept lines celebrities have used before to deflect difficult conversations. https://t.co/l9oCdaZgEV— Carina del Valle Schorske (@FluentMundo) April 2, 2023
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 April 2023 13:24 (one year ago) link
What do you mean by the post? (Not being snarky)
― retrofuturist cop slayer! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 April 2023 13:44 (one year ago) link
Just that another journalist (Carina has written for NY Times and has a book coming out) who had interviewed Bad Bunny, also thought Bad Bunny's comments to her re racism 3 years ago weren't that well-informed , and that as he has educated himself and spoken out re other issues, she thought he should on this one as well
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 April 2023 14:13 (one year ago) link
If he had said, in the Time interview, "I do agree that race and colorism play a role in the success of a reggaeton artist," how would it change the story or reporting on the subject (colorism and racism in reggaeton)?
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 13 April 2023 14:26 (one year ago) link
Obviously it’s complicated, but when an artist as massively popular as Bad Bunny says something it’s going to get a little more attention than if just some obscure writers say it on twitter. Bunny financed and showed a film doc on the political situation in Puerto Rico that he showed before his gig on the stadium tour I saw . The writers and critics here are hoping he will speak out more on these issues as well
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link
He kinds of addresses his discomfort with that point a little later in the interview (“You’re not going to ask Daddy Yankee something like that”).
I can understand fans & critics being upset by his answers. I don't think (just my pov) that "journalism" involves not being satisfied with a celebrity's attempt to deflect difficult conversations. I think those attempts can def. can be part of the story – "The genre's biggest (white-identifying) star isn't able to acknowledge..." etc. And noting that if a figure like BB were able to acknowledge these issues, then he may be able to take certain steps to effect change. But I don't think that pushing back on his statements is a "journalistic" role.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:41 (one year ago) link
To put it another way, reporting on the issue is asking him the question. Pushing for a different answer is something different.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:42 (one year ago) link
otm
― retrofuturist cop slayer! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 April 2023 22:15 (one year ago) link
I know it’s important for celebrities to use their star power to inform people and seek support for NPOs, but another part of me wishes celebrities would stay on their lanes of expertise. The pandemic and the aftermath has shown me that most of the time when a celebrity has a big, loud opinion on something is usually embarrasing and downright dangerous.
So many celebrities I kind of liked have revealed themselves as uninformed morons and I would’ve preferred not knowing what they have to say about anything other than what they are working on or what inspires them.
Sure, there are also celebrities whose whole thing is being deeply involved in politics but I consider those as speaking from an area of expertise. And in that case it’s better they show you their cards before listening to where they’re coming from.
Bad Bunny has pretty much only one political song in his repertoire (El Apagon) that was written by someone else (mag + young paci). It’s probably for the best he’s not very vocal about politics.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 14 April 2023 03:25 (one year ago) link
What about Compositor del Año? I had a student write about that song and she mentioned it was not an album track but it does address some of these issues (BLM specifically)
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 14 April 2023 12:31 (one year ago) link
Also features a line about Little Richard & samples Tutti Frutti! https://genius.com/Bad-bunny-compositor-del-ano-lyrics
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 14 April 2023 13:16 (one year ago) link
Bad Bunny also was involved with Residente in the protests against ex-Governor Ricardo Rosselló
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 April 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link
yep, def weird to paint BB as some kind of apolitical figure. there’s also this for example - notably for an American audience:https://www.insider.com/jimmy-fallon-bad-bunny-paid-tribute-to-murdered-transgender-woman-2020-2
― at bottom, wrapping my arms around some tripe called "Quest" (breastcrawl), Friday, 14 April 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
bad bunny has been marketed as political so I think its fair to ask him to weigh in on things, to challenge him as an interviewer, and to also recognize the limits of a pop star's ability to meaningfully speak to political issues ... something like colorism though isn't just a 'political issue,' its existential. anyway
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Friday, 14 April 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link
Bad Bunny was just 1st Latino headliner at Coachella. Here’s Rolling Stone re part of his set:
Toward the middle of his set, a video explaining the history of salsa began playing, honoring legends like Celia Cruz, La Lupe, Johnny Pacheco and more. Several dancers came out and performed to salsa classics before Bad Bunny transitioned into the Grammy-nominated Cardi B track “I Like It.” He also paid tribute to old-school reggaeton with another video about the roots of the music that called out the Black influences and biggest names in the genre. Quickly, the beloved reggaeton duo Jowell Y Randy came out with Nengo Flow for the hit “Safaera.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:18 (one year ago) link
I stand corrected. 'Compositor del Año' is definitely political. And hey looking at those lyrics that most definitely prove he wasn't silent about BLM, George Floyd and Police Brutality - I went back to look at the accusations of him being silent on the whole thing and what would you know: their source for 'outrage' is a pair of isolated tweets by users with like 1,000 followers.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 15 April 2023 19:08 (one year ago) link
and he also gave a statement on TIME
https://time.com/5852446/bad-bunny-black-lives-matter/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 15 April 2023 19:14 (one year ago) link
I was misguided by the internet fake outrage machine. Anyways it's easily disprovable that he was in fact supportive of the movement and that reports on his 'silence' were heavily exaggerated. That said, I still think celebrities lack of opinion on politics shouldn't be a reason to rally against them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 15 April 2023 19:26 (one year ago) link
New Bad Bunny single out . Performs with Mexican act Grupo Frontera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3inw26U-os4
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 15:17 (one year ago) link
Grupo Frontera is actually from the US
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 15:26 (one year ago) link
Oh yeah, Texas rooted "Regional Mexican" music.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 15:58 (one year ago) link
https://remezcla.com/music/watch-bad-bunny-jams-to-peso-pluma-at-coachella/
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 20 April 2023 15:58 (one year ago) link
https://centropr.hunter.cuny.edu/event/the-bad-bunny-symposium-thinking-with-bad-bunny-beibi-2/
May 12 & 13 symposium in person and virtual
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 17:53 (eleven months ago) link
symposium coming.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 12:23 (eleven months ago) link
symposium on Bad Bunny in NYC (and on zoom friday and Saturday daytime et)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 12 May 2023 13:08 (eleven months ago) link
Symposium is gonna be put on youtube . I heard a bit and found it interesting
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 May 2023 15:23 (eleven months ago) link
New song “Where She Goes”
Eh , it’s ok
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 22:26 (eleven months ago) link
Long Rolling stone mag cover story interview by Julyssa Lopez:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/bad-bunny-coachella-el-apagon-controversy-future-interview-1234770225/
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 23:54 (ten months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2rA7IpeNI
New song Preview
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 19:47 (seven months ago) link
Sexy in a handful of scenes in Cassandro.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2023 19:58 (seven months ago) link
New album out
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 October 2023 18:32 (six months ago) link
A review from a Brit’s perspective that popped up in a search
https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/music/bad-bunny-nadie-sabe-lo-que-va-a-pasar-manana-album-review-b1113274.html
I haven’t heard it yet
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 October 2023 18:38 (six months ago) link
the new one feels like a real step down, doesn't have enough ideas to sustain its 80 minute runtime (unlike the last album) and working in this trap mode for most of the album doesn't really play to his strengths much at all
― ufo, Saturday, 14 October 2023 14:12 (six months ago) link
made it about halfway through and yeah, it’s not nearly as good as un verano. seems like a conscious effort to return to the latin trap style that it felt like he’d grown pass. in some cases it works (love the song with young miko), and i appreciate the variety, it’s just not as joyful or chock full of ideas as the last one.
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Saturday, 14 October 2023 17:47 (six months ago) link
un verano was also over 80 mins long, but there was never a lack of inspiration. he was operating at peak power for like 20 of those 24 tracks. it never felt like a slog, like this one does at several moments
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Saturday, 14 October 2023 17:48 (six months ago) link
i've only listened to "monaco" (bc of the video) and while i don't dislike it exactly it doesn't rly get me interested in engaging w/ a long album
― dyl, Saturday, 14 October 2023 18:14 (six months ago) link
same as dyl, I need to hear a strong single to get me in the mood
― Nabozo, Monday, 16 October 2023 07:59 (six months ago) link
voodoo chili completely otm
― ufo, Monday, 16 October 2023 08:04 (six months ago) link
So far it’s not as good as the previous one (I’m not sure it was better to better it!) but I like the new one. It’s darker, rougher, more minimalist. Going the more pop/mainstream way may have been easier sure but maybe that wasn’t the best way to go after the fireworks of Un Verano.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 20 October 2023 10:48 (six months ago) link
Oups : not sure it was possible to better it !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 20 October 2023 13:44 (six months ago) link
He’s hosting and performing on Saturday Night Live October 21
― curmudgeon, Friday, 20 October 2023 15:02 (six months ago) link
Saw him live on one tour and it was fun. Missed his Washington DC arena gig last night . Video clips online look exciting
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 17:29 (two weeks ago) link