Come anticipate animated Miles Morales in SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE with me

lol okay my 7-y-o has set me straight on this. Miles WANTS to confide in his dad but he can't because his mouth is stopped up and it makes him so mad that he is able to use his powers, like the Hulk!

broke my superhero movie ban for this and dammit i'm glad i did. an absolute feast for the eyes. i mean in a year where isle of dogs and mandy both came out...idk they're all spectacular in completely different ways, unforgettably bold.

while this film maybe missed a couple of storytelling beats in its rush to be a literal comic book, it really is the best representation of the form i can imagine having existed on screen thus far. it couldn't have put any more thought, effort or love into its desire to do the form justice. it makes me want to read marvel comics and that coming from me is nearly heresy

let's talk about phil lord (and christopher miller) (but mostly phil lord). the dude wrote this and i think his script and story allowed the perfect pacing and space for the visuals to build to their jaw-gaping climax, which was kind of like cloudy with a chance of meatballs turned up to fifteen - he's always wanted to make this exact spectacle and now he has (as producer/writer - i'm v interested to find out more about the actual direction team)

i've wanted to start a lord/miller thread for a while. i'm obv v cynical about superhero movies and hollywood spectacles and such but they are YET TO MAKE A BAD FILM - they absolutely nail it every time. i think they and lord especially are the preeminent geniuses of the actionverse right now. they have some very repeatable but always laudable tropes. they are single-handedly responsible for making cops cool again. i mean they're doing amazing work presenting their idea what the police could and should be - strong, fatherly, responsible, moral, balanced. so yeah they love cops, sure, but they mostly love good fathering. idk i'm rambling here. cops as servants rather than corrupt powerbrokers. it's a fantasy maybe but they own it so well. stop me ffs

also all their scripts are on point

again, the greatest technical achievement to date in computer animation

Things to notice:
🕷️ Both Miles & Peter are animated on 2's (12 poses/sec), while the scene was rendered on 1's (24 frames/sec). So even though they're frozen for two frames, they are moving within the frame.
🕷️ They are on animated 2's, but offset from each other.
🕷️ Bagel!!! pic.twitter.com/V64n8cRffT

— Todd Vaziri (@tvaziri) January 2, 2019

there's more stuff in the thread on this single shot. The offset 2s are wild as heck

haha man I didn't notice all that stuff but I was conscious that there was a lot of deep animated juju going on even if i didn't know exactly what it was. the off-register depth-of-field effect, the stop-motion style stuff. felt bristly and alive and all times.

so fuckin' metal. animation-wise, i mean

I want to sit in a theater and frame-advance through this movie for 12 hours

Same. What a great movie!

I watched this yesterday and despite several distractions, I was absorbed. So beautiful and streamlined.

Doc Ock reminded me of Entrapta from the nu She Ra, both in voice and design.

Looooove Gwen's design. Undercut + pointe shoes = yay.

For sure, one of the best costume comic book costume designs in the last decade. Feel like that's half the reason for her success

Took my four year old to see this before christmas not expecting too much but holy fucking shit did I love this. Enough that I saw it again on New Years Day; I don't remember the last time I saw a movie twice in a theater - honestly it might have been Back To The Future or the Phantom Menace (in an attempt to see if it really was that bad).

Everything about this was great, even for me with little to no comic book / spiderman literacy. And Doc Ock (prior to the reveal) was the biggest laugh for me as she felt like a dead-on composite of a bunch of STEM academics I know or have had interactions with.

she reminded me of the 'nerd' character on Orphan Black

I loved this movie so much, Doc Ock was legitimately terrifying and her demise was wonderful.

Three times in my life have I been in a movie theatre and seen something so funny that my entire body seized up in a static form of hysterical laughter. The first was age 10 when Bob Hoskins yells "Ooga Booga" at the bouncer in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit". The second was Jonah Hill wiping out on a side-view mirror in Superbad. The third was the moment when Aunt May is looking around her house at the various fight scenes, and frames appear 1-2-3-4 of tussling, and the final fourth frame is of Spider-Ham smashing one of Aunt May's plates over his own head. One of the funniest gags I've ever seen tbh

Sorry it wasn't a sideview mirror it was Emma Stone's nose

I misremembered

lol!

The third was the moment when Aunt May is looking around her house at the various fight scenes, and frames appear 1-2-3-4 of tussling, and the final fourth frame is of Spider-Ham smashing one of Aunt May's plates over his own head. One of the funniest gags I've ever seen tbh

Joy and genius indeed.

A very pure lol

I love especially that it was Spider Ham's panel that sent May over the edge.

also also lol at Miles scrolling past Bendis when he was desperate for someone to talk to after his powers started manifesting.

this was great, so nice to see something that doesn't look like every-other-fucking-thing. only time my attention started to droop was in some of the emotional beats in the 3rd act which felt rote. otherwise appreciated the overall wild and loose tone

I'm going to see this again with one of my kids this afternoon. Something I've been wondering since the first time, though: how did he end up with Morales as his last name? Maybe we'll get a name origin story in the next movie.

Went into this with a cautious "it can't be as good as everyone says" in my heart but it really is as good as everyone says!

how did he end up with Morales as his last name?

that's his mom's name?

yeah. but isn't it unusual for a child to take the mother's last name and not their dads?

because if he took his dad's name he'd be Miles Davis

(it's pretty damn weird that his dad's name is "Jefferson Davis")

also unusual for a child to be bitten by a radioactive spider and gain superpowers iirc

and yet, it happens

It apparently happens a lot!

it's more common than you think

Even better the second time, especially the final set piece. And Spider Ham, when he glitches, makes that cartoon googlygoogly sound.

it's pretty damn weird that his dad's name is "Jefferson Davis"

thank you!

thank David Brothers in 2012: http://4thletter.net/2012/11/me-and-my-people-got-history-why-how-i-write-about-race/

This was extremely cool.

https://youtu.be/WvIphseK3pA

Great interview with the directors.

Ordered this print from Bottleneck Gallery. Glow in the dark bonus to a cool image for a Spidey fan. Nice when they have timed runs, printing as many as ordered, versus a limited run that seems to sell out in minutes.

it's sold out

Yeah, shoot. Came here thinking I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but no.

this is a perfect movie, isn't it? i might need to see it again to make sure

as i went on at length about upthread there are about 2-3 minutes, right before the emotional climax, of daddy issues that they apparently felt the need to shoehorn in there in order to tick a scriptwriting box - guys, hint: it's not the dad who needs to learn to to say i love you to his son, it's the other way around! - but apart from that i pretty much agree

https://youtu.be/9x2yXKckfuA

daddy issues that they apparently felt the need to shoehorn in there in order to tick a scriptwriting box - guys, hint: it's not the dad who needs to learn to to say i love you to his son, it's the other way around! -

STFU with this dad-ass bullshit, he needs to learn to have empathy for his son, and not to top-down impose his idea of what The Kids These Days live with based on his own experience

well, like i said, shoehorned

it's minor though

and it’s a huge point at the climax that Miles does indeed learn to say I love you to his dad

you’re gonna be in trouble when yr kids are 13 if you’re so “WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE FATHERS???!” already, at a rad cartoon

haha no no sorry, I'm saying it was all unnecessary. there was nothing that needed fixing in their relationship. but in a movie script something always has to Get Fixed in order for the hero to realise their true potential etc

Well, a case could be made that his relationship with his father *is* good, but it's the imposition of spider-problems that, for the first time and for a few different reasons, cuts off the line of communication in a healthy relationship. The movie could be seen as his (Miles) struggle to retain his identity when fate is forcing him to be someone he's not. He spends the entire time more or less getting Spider-splained, right up until that scene when he is literally tied and gagged, and it's only the final ignominy of being unable (literally, not figuratively) to speak with his dad that forces him to become his own Spider-man. That is, a Spider-man that above all else wants to keep it *real* - with Brooklyn, tagging, his school, his cool uncle, a dad who is spider-man dubious - while fighting against the forces trying to make it unreal (superpowers).

Dads are bad
Kites are fun
This derail is dumb
I want gum

How is it a derail? I'm saying it's not a flaw of the film, which was even better the second time, but a further take on a central theme.

don't mean you specifically, was talking about the "daddy theme" derail before yours

i was speaking to the point of this being a "perfect movie" and explained why i think it isn't! maybe i should have started a new thread..

I vote perfect.