Democratic (Party) Direction

Oh come on, don't pretend you don't get it.

I "get it" in the sense of knowing how nakedly cynical and completely out of AOC's control it is

(totally separate side note, speaking just for myself: if Scalise perished in a fresh hail of gunfire I'd fucking laugh)

me, a moderate: it would depend on the context of the hail of gunfire

Fuck Steve Scalise.

those tweets are horrifying

Not even a little. The "kick his cane" one made me laugh.

1) Nobody can stop a few idiots from being idiots, and it's not at all AOCs fault. But she could still say something, and she should. Because speaking out against this shit is a good idea, and because AOC would win this fight. This is a white male Republican saying that he is getting shit from a WOC. She would win this fight.

2) The dirtbag left can't on the one hand claim that politics should be about setting libidinal energies free and shouting and fighting, and then wash their hands when someone goes to far. Come on. Either it's bullshit or it's not. And fair enough if you think it's ok, but a lot of people don't.

3) Everyone remembers 2016, and everyone knows this bullshit will be pointed in the direction of Kamala or Beto as soon as they are perceived as standing in the way of the great Bernie. A lot of people know they are going to be on the wrong end of this bullshit once again. So stop being disingenuous, and pretend they are showing a bad temperament, or that shouting at each other is somehow a prerequisite for passing M4A.

literally nobody working with a president imprisoning immigrant children to die in the desert gets to be mad about name-calling. no more fuckin "play nice" crap, these people are vile monsters and can clutch their fuckin pearls elsewhere

neither beto nor kamala nor anybody else will lose one vote by refusing to play the 'high road' game. they will, in fact, gain voters & donations if they call that shit out for what it is.

cosign 100%

fuck off Fred

People look at twitter way too much. It doesn't even cross my mind to look at it directly.

Treat it like a solar eclipse.

otm

its good for dog videos and seeing what ilxors are up to and stuff but otherwise youre just killing yourself quicker reading it

Obviously if she responds she may have to say something along the lines of “I don’t condone that” etc but I don’t know that AOC should be forced to take responsibility for posts she didn’t make. That’s not something the right wing politicians would want to be made a two way street. It would be hard may be a good opportunity to call out the tactic.

standing by for when lib media inevitably makes this her fault

“lib media”

I don’t know that AOC should be forced to take responsibility for posts she didn’t make. That’s not something the right wing politicians would want to be made a two way street.

Exactly. Any response beyond "Condemn random Twitter assholes? You first, motherfucker" would be an act of surrender. I don't get the feeling she's stupid enough to fall for that.

Condemning random twitter assholes is one of the best things. Fuck them all.

AOC doesn’t need to condemn anyone

Also it is sort of comical that his immediate reply to her correcting his misleading tweet about tax rates was to say “hey look, some people who aren’t you were mean to me”

They're all Russians anyway.

yeah fair i shoulda said "lib"

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I think a big reason why @AOC is so much better at politics than so many older, more experienced Dems is that she's never known a world where Republicans aren't cartoonish villains who reliably act in bad faith. So she treats them as what they are.

— Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser) January 6, 2019

Not getting a ton of attention today, but IMO Julian Castro's answer to a question about @AOC's tax talk was striking.

"George, there was a time in this country where the top marginal tax rate was over 90 percent."

and *woosh* goes the Overton Window. pic.twitter.com/OsTd1T3RAq

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 6, 2019

he's running

Ok this Paygo stuff - its really just AOC and Ro Khanna against it, thats it? I read the thing that says oh it doesnt actually matter but idk - is there a more positive slant to this I'm not seeing?

Omar is also against.

Haven't watched the AOC interview on 60 Minutes in full but this clip popped up on Twitter:

.@AOC says Trump is a racist, “no question.” pic.twitter.com/CSQnmCVJi2

— jordan (@JordanUhl) January 7, 2019

Paygo is intended to undercut Republicans ability/threats to cut taxes. No Dem legislation was hampered by it when it was in effect previously. The argument seems to be about the symbolism of it.

I was about to post the AOC clip. She doesn't flinch.

Any one who panders to racists as much as Trump does, counts as a racist. No question.

She’s incredible. When she won I was excited based on her platform and background, but I didn’t expect her to be this good of a communicator right out of the gate.

On any given night you can see a CNN panel starting with this premise, yet here it's received as if AOC questioned whether jet fuel can melt steel beams. TV news is weird. https://t.co/p9vTpawV9c

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 7, 2019

Trump tweeted this once

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/

He led the birth certificate thing AND the college transcript thing for several years. Of course he’s racist. jfc

Not to mention the fucking Central Park Five.

It was exasperating if anyone expressed doubt about it during the campaign

as long as we're posting clips

“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” @AOC says in response to criticism that she’s made factual errors. https://t.co/sKf3sHl9F6 pic.twitter.com/xKc2eB7GEk

— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) January 7, 2019

just to add to the list that I'm sure everyone here knows, he lost and had to settle housing discrimination lawsuits

Any one who panders to racists as much as Trump does, counts as a racist. No question.

anyone who is as racist as the frothing, shrieking racist Donald Trump counts as a racist. what was the question

Then there was that meeting where he talked about not wanting to accept immigrants from shithole countries in Africa, but immigration from Norway was fine and dandy with him.

do we not already have a "100+ racist things trump did/said" thread

Let me list for you the examples which convinced me that water is wet.

Lol @ Biden. Guy who loses in 84, 88 and 2008 is sceptical other Democrats can win in 2020. this hubris of this prick

AOC is like a Messi, game changer straight out the gate

Omar is also against.

― suzy,

Thanks Suzy, missed that for some reason!

Paygo is intended to undercut Republicans ability/threats to cut taxes. No Dem legislation was hampered by it when it was in effect previously. The argument seems to be about the symbolism of it.

I'd read this but...idk, I'd like to be convinced its ok and its not something that comes back to bite. You think AOC and Ro (and Omar!) got this one wrong?

Biden is pissed that the DNC told him to step aside so Hilary could run in '16.

AOC is like a Messi, game changer straight out the gate

I mean yeah this "70% tax on income over 10m" seems to already be shifting the Overton window which is something Dems have always been really bad at

lol

Paul Krugman’s positive (and correct) article about Ocasio-Cortez’s tax ideas is perplexing. He slammed Bernie Sanders for similar ideas in 2016. pic.twitter.com/KECU6gWwb3

— Emma Vigeland (@EmmaVigeland) January 7, 2019

Yeah, that's completely untrue. Read the columns in question: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/opinion/varieties-of-voodoo.html and https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html. He slammed Sanders for idiotic claims about growth. As he said:

Mr. Sanders is calling for a large expansion of the U.S. social safety net, which is something I would like to see, too. But the problem with such a move is that it would probably create many losers as well as winners — a substantial number of Americans, mainly in the upper middle class, who would end up paying more in additional taxes than they would gain in enhanced benefits.

By endorsing outlandish economic claims, the Sanders campaign is basically signaling that it doesn’t believe its program can be sold on the merits, that it has to invoke a growth miracle to minimize the downsides of its vision. It is, in effect, confirming its critics’ worst suspicions.

Basically, AOC is so much better than Sanders, and people should stop trying to use her to make Sanders seem good.

When yer right, yer right.