Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

And that was 10 years after I last stepped foot in a church.

I never felt like “marriage” was the ultimate point so much as it was an obvious way to push 14th amendment jurisprudence forward as pertains gay folks.

^^^ This. And you know who was most obtuse about misunderstanding this basic point? Gays. NO WE DON'T WANT A BOURGEOIS INSTITUTION.

seems a little bit of an obtuse point, obv that wasn't the liberal rationale for opposing gay marriage

look i'm not a fuckin RCP think-by-numbers type or anything but the police unions question seem resolutely uncomplicated to me

1. police unions are unions
2. police, when following their typical orders at scale, enact the power relations of private property and capital
3. police, at scale, are workers operating on behalf of the ruling classes
4. a police union, by operating in the ostensible best interest of those particular workers, operates at scale on behalf of the power relations of private property and capital
5. while this is the opposite of the typical purpose of a labor union, it's very much in line with the purpose of a company union, which have a long history that's continued since their outlawing nearly a hundred years ago

it's not about semantics it's about power ffs

obama's "evolution" on gay rights was of course implausible and surely his early reticence reflected cynicism and political cowardice.

iirc obama actually said at some point in the mid-90s that he favored gay marriage and then he just sort of awkwardly ignored that fact for a while

Gillebrand announced and no one here or on Twitter is talking about it. and as we know that's a perfect microcosm of the electorate.

all kidding aside, that doesn't seem great for her.

the real question is will i ever actually learn to spell her name correctly?

She did it on Colbert though, right? That doesn't air until 11:30. Give it time to break through.

not seeing this announcement anywhere (the Hill, politico, WaPo, NYT, Huffpo, etc.) so uh if she announced she sure fucked it up

i saw the headline a couple of hours ago on cnn.com

being against gay marriage is insane and always has been

there's a real difference between irrational and insane

not there now:

https://www.cnn.com/us

It's not wise to make such an announcement on the day that gave us 'hamberders'.

Gillibrand announcing on Colbert's show means she will follow 5 minutes of hamberder jokes

i don't think gillibrand has much of a chance tbh

She’ll have to deal w both the insane people who blame for the Franken thing and also people critical of her blue dog past.

with a field this large, few have much of a chance

yet someone will win

anyway i don't think anybody remembers where/when Obama announced. not a big deal when most of the country doesn't know you yet.

I mean I know who they are, but idg the Franken fuckbois. Dems should be absolutists on harrassment/misbehavior, and MN still has a Dem senator. Where is the great and unforgivable damage?

also she's unlikable and uncharismatic.

obv a lot can change between now and 2020 but it feels more and more like harris every day

I like her and she has charisma. WTF are you on about?

i don't particularly want a democratic prez who once had a 100 percent rating from the NRA

She hasn't skirted talking about that in the last few years, so I don't know why she'd start now. Her gun position movement is believable.

She gonna switch back to pro-gun?

i have yet to speak to a person irl who likes her but maybe she just hasn't been around enough and when she is debating + giving press conferences etc ppl will warm up to her

i love ppl seeing an aura of inevitability when no votes have been cast yet

(I mean the fix was in 4 years ago and she still almost crashed... in the spring)

hey it could be anyone i don't know the future maybe there won't be an election at all maybe edward snowden will win.

obv a lot can change between now and 2020 but it feels more and more like harris every day

― Mordy

Mordy otm, I've reluctantly come around to her even though she was/is a prosecutor

all the rest of them suck even more

Gillibrand has the most anti-Trump voting record of any Democratic senator. https://t.co/KO8vWSoYIr

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) January 15, 2019

I don't understand the Gillibrand revulsion. She's been solid in the last two years.

to be clear, I am totally fine with Gillibrand, she's my age and I am on her side re: Franken.

yeah she's fine. I think Harris has advantages she doesn't (more charismatic, obvious appeal to minority demographics etc.) but we'll see

xp

plus no prosecutor baggage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJEaJR5HI_Q

Brown apparently making some kind of announcement on Chris Hayes' MSNBC show next hour.

Brown as in Jerry??

As in Sherrod.

oh right that guy

Gillibrandberders

I dig Sherrod Brown but he's gonna have to tighten up his suit game. Guy dresses like he manages a shoe store.

w apologies to shoe store managers

Gillibrand is pretty charismatic. I mean she is no Adam Driver.

Brown might make this a hoarse race.

lol

heck of a job, brownie!

hoping some more candidates make this case as well

Bernie Sanders: Democrats Need to Rein In Our Out-of-Control Military Spending https://t.co/pcJslXrNV3

— In These Times (@inthesetimesmag) January 15, 2019

Hard to do when MSNBC hasn't reined in its military spending on advisers, consultants, etc.

don't starve Our Great Military, Democrats

(not a chance)

lol Sherrod Brown is doing a "listening tour" in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina.