Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

I mean seriously, how many you "unintentionally" land your hand on someone's ass while taking a picture?

There are four named women in that piece, and one of them had photographic evidence. I've honestly rarely seen these stories be so clear-cut?

XP Ask Poppy Bush.

Yeah, I also didn't give him a pass because he was old. They should've wheeled him out far from arms length of any woman.

I would bring people together to start getting things done. If you want to get health care done, you have to bring Ds and Rs to the table on the shared values of this country. We all love our children."

This position needs a lot of work before it has any resonance at all. For chrissakes, take a solid position on what you think the freaking children need that they aren't getting now and how you want to deliver it. Bipartisanship is not an end in itself and literally no one cares about it. They care about what happens, not how.

Voters totally give lip service to bipartisanship but generally what they actually mean is “get the other party to cave”

back to back otm's

even in an election cycle where there isn't this much progressive energy, you would expect Dem candidates to tack to the left at least somewhat during primary season, so if Gillibrand ends up trying to stake a claim towards the center she may be dooming herself before she even gets off the ground. this is also why Biden's campaign is either going to be gratuitously phony or gratuitously tone-deaf.

Gratuitous in some way, surely. Really hope he doesn't run. Fox News headline that popped up recently: Biden family sounds warning – Dems moving too far left. gtfo

If Gillibrand begins tacking rightward (centerward?) once she's all in, I'll be super disappointed. Partly because she's doing it, but mostly because Morbs can say "told you so."

I could really use a candidate scorecard on these proposals

On nearly every "radical" idea the American people are with us:

72% want to expand Social Security.
70% want Medicare for All.
65% want a jobs guarantee.
64% want to legalize marijuana.
60% want tuition-free public colleges.
58% want $15 min wage.
57% want to break up big banks.

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) January 15, 2019

I could really use a candidate, Bernie or otherwise, who goes hard on the issues w/o apology all the way through

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lol at "tuition-free public colleges" though. (I get that "tuition" is short for "tuition fees" here, but think the construct looks unfortunate.)

no idea what your objection is

I get that "tuition" is short for "tuition fees" here

Here?

Well, to me "tuition" means "the act of teaching", and "tuition fees" the payment for being taught. I read "tuition-free colleges" as "colleges where no teaching is being done" when I see that.

But yeah, I see from some online dictionaries that the fee interpretation is more or less equally common now, especially in North America.

I would say it's more than equally common in the US, I've never actually heard it used to mean anything other than education fees

Fair enough! Sorry for derail.

interesting to know there's another definition, though

Lol I forgot about this

whenever i see the name kirsten gillibrand i automatically think of her lehman sisters quote pic.twitter.com/hXF5sl40xD

— aída chávez (@aidachavez) January 16, 2019

Thats so good

I dont understand why people are afraid warren will be hillary 2.0 but not gillibrand, who is much more similar

because warren has been attacked by the right wing since she first was a candidate for the senate, while they've spent comparatively little time attacking gillibrand?

Gillibrand is terrible

terrible?

don't agree

Ha, "Lehman Sisters" is actually what I usually think of wrt Gillibrand too.

I have little doubt we'll be listening to a year+ of pablum like that from her

from everybody

well yeah

http://carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Double-the-recipe-fun-Twins-share-a-cooking-bond/1/1/15544

on Harris' prosecutorial record

Time after time, when progressives urged her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney and then the state’s attorney general, Ms. Harris opposed them or stayed silent. Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.

Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights.

Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed.

Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

I'm still not sure that a Dem party that has largely embraced Robert Mueller as a savior is going to see Harris' prosecutorial past as a disqualifier

you are probably correct

that is an unfair comparison on many levels imo

will be interesting to see if AOC endorses anyone and how much that changes the numbers

Surprising there's no talk of Washington governor Jay Inslee here. I like him as the only candidate so far that forwards climate as a major issue (as it is the paramount moral predicament of our era), but otherwise know little. He's going to have gobs of tech money backing.

he's got my vote

If Harris running means we get to have serious discussions about prosecutorial overreach and her bungling of the deal she made with the banks over foreclosures I welcome all of it

I know it's still super early but it's hard for me to envision someone winning who is totally off the national radar at this point. Biden, Warren, Beto, Bernie, Harris, Booker, Gillibrand -- I feel pretty certain the nominee is going to be from that list.

god, looking back at polling in past elections conducted around this time in the cycle is both hilarious and grim. to remember a time when a plurality of Dems favored Joe Lieberman, or when Rudy G was the Republican on top.

It would be funny to watch the reaction if Sanders ran and AOC endorsed him

it's gonna happen!

2016 really was an abberation. In a normal cycle, a red carpet wouldn't have been laid out for one candidate in a situation where a sitting Veep wasn't running. Most of the time, it's a boxing match.

I also remember back in 2002 or so there was CW that John Kerry would be the next Dem nominee, and then that seemed to go out the window until about the time that it actually happened.

It would be funny to watch the reaction if Sanders ran and AOC endorsed him

Didn't she work on his campaign? More surprising if she didn't, I would think?

lol bloomberg

The new NPR/PBS/Marist poll finds that a majority haven't heard of or were unsure about these 2020 Democrats

Beto O'Rourke (52%)
Kamala Harris (54%)
Kirsten Gillibrand (65%)
Amy Klobuchar (71%)
Julian Castro (72%) pic.twitter.com/kgMeYLNQad

— David P Gelles (@gelles) January 17, 2019

tbrr here the Dem coalition demographics that care the most about criminal justice reform are minority (african americans, latino, etc.) activists, and I don't think the African American community will be willing to turn on Harris over her work as DA or AG, in fact I think the opposite is much more likely - they will close ranks.

xp

African American women aren't going to respond well to being lectured by white liberals that one of their own has failed a purity test on the basis of m/l doing her job, i.e. what prosecutors do

please bear in mind I am not defending her actions as DA or AG, although I do dispute the characterization that her settlement with the banks was "bungled". she got the state a shitload of money.