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― velko, Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:41 (five years ago) link
on Harris' prosecutorial record
Time after time, when progressives urged her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney and then the state’s attorney general, Ms. Harris opposed them or stayed silent. Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights.Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed.Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.
Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights.
Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed.
Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link
I'm still not sure that a Dem party that has largely embraced Robert Mueller as a savior is going to see Harris' prosecutorial past as a disqualifier
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 17 January 2019 15:40 (five years ago) link
you are probably correct
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
that is an unfair comparison on many levels imo
― k3vin k., Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:13 (five years ago) link
will be interesting to see if AOC endorses anyone and how much that changes the numbers
― frogbs, Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
Surprising there's no talk of Washington governor Jay Inslee here. I like him as the only candidate so far that forwards climate as a major issue (as it is the paramount moral predicament of our era), but otherwise know little. He's going to have gobs of tech money backing.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link
he's got my vote
― frogbs, Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:33 (five years ago) link
If Harris running means we get to have serious discussions about prosecutorial overreach and her bungling of the deal she made with the banks over foreclosures I welcome all of it
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link
I know it's still super early but it's hard for me to envision someone winning who is totally off the national radar at this point. Biden, Warren, Beto, Bernie, Harris, Booker, Gillibrand -- I feel pretty certain the nominee is going to be from that list.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:47 (five years ago) link
god, looking back at polling in past elections conducted around this time in the cycle is both hilarious and grim. to remember a time when a plurality of Dems favored Joe Lieberman, or when Rudy G was the Republican on top.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link
It would be funny to watch the reaction if Sanders ran and AOC endorsed him
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:55 (five years ago) link
it's gonna happen!
― Effectively Big Jim with a beard. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:56 (five years ago) link
2016 really was an abberation. In a normal cycle, a red carpet wouldn't have been laid out for one candidate in a situation where a sitting Veep wasn't running. Most of the time, it's a boxing match.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:57 (five years ago) link
I also remember back in 2002 or so there was CW that John Kerry would be the next Dem nominee, and then that seemed to go out the window until about the time that it actually happened.
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
Didn't she work on his campaign? More surprising if she didn't, I would think?
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
lol bloomberg
The new NPR/PBS/Marist poll finds that a majority haven't heard of or were unsure about these 2020 DemocratsBeto O'Rourke (52%)Kamala Harris (54%)Kirsten Gillibrand (65%)Amy Klobuchar (71%)Julian Castro (72%) pic.twitter.com/kgMeYLNQad— David P Gelles (@gelles) January 17, 2019
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link
tbrr here the Dem coalition demographics that care the most about criminal justice reform are minority (african americans, latino, etc.) activists, and I don't think the African American community will be willing to turn on Harris over her work as DA or AG, in fact I think the opposite is much more likely - they will close ranks.
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
African American women aren't going to respond well to being lectured by white liberals that one of their own has failed a purity test on the basis of m/l doing her job, i.e. what prosecutors do
please bear in mind I am not defending her actions as DA or AG, although I do dispute the characterization that her settlement with the banks was "bungled". she got the state a shitload of money.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
Did she? At any rate I'm not sure she'll bother endorsing anyone
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
xpost yeah, I'm wondering which of the other candidates are going to feel comfortable attacking Harris about her DA work.
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link
I don't think the heat on that will come from the other candidates if it comes at all
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
a purity test, huh
― k3vin k., Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
I agree with Simon. Attacks on Harris based on her prosecutorial record will not come from other candidates. I could see Russian socks using it to stir up dissent within the left and some lefties taking the bait, because Russian socks use wedges to split apart coalitions.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
jesus
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
wtf
― k3vin k., Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
....that is not where I was going with that lol
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, January 17, 2019 9:12 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk dude
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
what the fuck ever happens i hope internecine squabbling doesn't somehow inadvertently clear a path for that asshole Booker
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
i just read a national review article about how harris' prosecutorial record is not as hardline as it seems (they obv meant that to be a bad thing)
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
surely Booker has no natural constituency outside the tri-state area
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
I know. But the issues raised by Harris being a prosecutor cannot be settled by examining her past record, because the past is only of interest insofar as it predicts the future. What needs to be done is to isolate the broad policy implications embedded in those past details and testing whether her current positions reflect a deep allegiance to continuing those policies as president.
The approach that simply drums away at "look what Harris did back then; she's awful" is the oversimplified wedge approach. It takes a person, labels them, then dismisses them. The more the left adopts that approach, the more easily they can be manipulated by forces like Russian socks.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
often people's past behaviour predicts their future behaviour.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
the itchiest of all the socks
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
If its not warren or bernie, all i care about is who would be best against trump. Harris might fit the bill here—she has the composure of a champion poker player but still doesn’t seem cold.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
Beto gets compared to obama but i don’t see it. Obama is actually a remarkable speaker, not just a good one.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link
There may be some appeal in running the prosecutor against the criminal.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
xp. Obama is a once in a lifetime charismatic American politician
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link
she's much younger than trump too that'll stand out in debates
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link
Best against Trump is easy: Sherrod Brown. I don't like it either, but he's got a decisive advantage over other potential nominees in Midwest swing states.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
how a person does their job is often heavily constrained by the particular demands of that job. one's political philosophy may not always play a very conspicuous role in determining the details of doing one's job. being a senator is a very different job than being a prosecutor. I would think her record there would be more indicative of how she'd behave as president.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
xp: Problem with Beto is the resume. It's been a long time since someone who's highest office is House rep won. But that's true of senators as well.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
― Sanpaku, Thursday, January 17, 2019 1:11 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The domestic violence thing will destroy him. It would suppress too much of the liberal base.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:18 (five years ago) link
Trump got away with this stuff bc he was courting different voters
Senator Obama vs. Senator McCain ensured a senator would win in 2008. But, in general, the senate has proved to be a very wobbly stepping stone to the presidency.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:19 (five years ago) link
I don't think anyone cares about that sort of predecent anymore
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
All that old wisdom is out the window imo. Trump had never held office.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
Aimless making the points I would be making here re: Harris, much appreciated
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
taking a drink every time i see "purity test"
will be in rehab by summer
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:24 (five years ago) link
if Obama's charisma is once in a lifetime, what a barren era this is