Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/kamala-harris-booker-are-early-2020-favs-among-black-leaders-n803636

@ Fred: who gets to decide there's "room" for a "divisive" fight? what qualifies as "divisive"? if there are incorrect, "fuckup" years to have "divisive fights," in which bad feelings brewed up by arguing for one platform or candidate and against others are incurably destructive, then shouldn't the party just cancel having a competitive system of candidate selection in those years?

Yeah like, i’m not anti-harris or anything, but things have to matter besides helping democrats get elected

Harris ran for DA in SF in 2003 on a pledge not to seek capital punishment, and won. When a police officer was murdered in 2004 she was severely criticized by law enforcement and other politicians for her decision not to consider it. But according to the Chronicle at the time, San Franciscans were against capital punishment by about 70 percent to 30, different from the state itself, and SF juries were known for not ever agreeing to award the death penalty in trial. So on that she was in tune with SF voters but not the state as a whole

In 2012, California voters rejected Proposition 34, which would have ended capital punishment in the state. In 2014 an op-ed was written in the Chronicle by Mugambi Jouet from Stanford criticizing Harris for arguing to uphold the CA death penalty law in front of the 9th Circuit. She and Brown could have chosen not to defend the 1977 law when it was overturned by the district court. Her argument in front of the 9th was that the district court “mistook its policy critique" of the death penalty “as a proper basis for legal judgment." The 9th Circuit overturned the lower court decision unanimously, concluding that there was no legal precedent for the arguments used to reject the original 1977 referendum originally reinstating the death penalty. Lara Bazelon’s description of that in her NYT op-ed seems very distorted to me, which makes me suspect the rest of her criticism tbh

I wish Harris had not chosen to defend the law in 2014, but I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know what the legal consequences of not defending it based on the arguments made would have been.

It has always surprised me how much support there has been in California for the death penalty. As recently as 2016, CA voters rejected another referendum, Prop 62, that would have repealed it, instead narrowly approving Prop 66, which would speed up executions! (I think it’s still mired in red tape). All of this makes me remember that Rose Bird, a CA Supreme Court Chief Justice considered a divisive ideologue and ousted by voters for her opposition to the death penalty in 1986, was a pioneer

harris clearly feels that she does not have a professional obligation to defend laws she thinks are unjust (which is the right approach imo). she did this with proposition 8, but chose not to exercise this discretion with the death penalty

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-death-penalty-kamala-harris-appeal-20140824-story.html

yeah, that makes me question her decision

The death penalty is disgustign. Maybe in some roundabout way this is principled but there is nothing i hate more than the idea that the state can murder people.

Max Weber would like a word with you

What does he say on the death penalty? I’m very uneducated.

I wondered aloud earlier if there was such a thing as "progressive prosecutors" and then someone went ahead and made a list

There are many examples of truly progressive prosecutors: @SAKimFoxx @Rollins4DA @DALarryKrasner @Bell4STL @ScottColom @kimoggforda Eric Gonzalez in Brooklyn, John Creuzot in Dallas. And more. @KamalaHarris is not in that group. https://t.co/ZSSRPdyq3M

— Lara Bazelon (@larabazelon) January 17, 2019

some come closer than others, but as of year 243 and president 45, the usa has yet to elect a truly progressive president. I'm not going to hold my breath.

how many times in that timespan has a "true progressive" been on the ticket?

Does lincoln count?

Eugene Debs ran on the Socialist ticket, as did Norman Thomas.

A list of names of people I don’t know? That’s good enough for me too.

xp someone? I guess you mean Lara Bazelon

I read two comments on that article before I saw someone bitching about Gillibrand and Franken. Sigh.

Way upthread, sorry but

it was broadly the least sophisticated Facebook meme bullshit that only the most addled right-wing kooks and extreme low-info voters would take at face-value

Which is... um, a lot of people

real small clickthrough rate is all you need

i guess i hadn't seen tulsi gabbard on film before. her apology made her seem lame and stilted.

and insincere honestly. i don't know why these people with no chance are throwing their hats in the ring.

attention

Elie Mystal had a great tweet in response to Gabbard's apology.

Good to apologize.
Your punishment is that you can't be president.

wants a show on RT

is it time to include mike pence in this thread

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/18/larry-hogan-donald-trump-2020-election-1110535

lots going on here

help pic.twitter.com/29b0gxpthJ

— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) January 18, 2019

That is like one of those Yes Yes No segments from Reply All, and I'm at No.

we're doomed

oh hell no

LAUSD strike over apparently thanks to mediation by garcetti, so look out for him to announce soon (if the ominous real estate corruption probe of city hall doesn't get too close to him). he sucks btw.

he doesn't have a prayer imo

also yes he sucks

Not much more than “bad somehow when people who aren’t AOC tweet exactly the same way”

“Lots going on here
help pic.twitter.com/29b0gxpthJ
— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) January 18, 2019”

i mean its the pretty embarrassing seeming "socialists for beto" that i think is being dragged most there

i was looking at a predictit for most likely dem nom. kamala was #1 which makes sense but beto was #2 which seems totally wrong to me

Maybe I was just reminded of earlier when Carl didn’t get that Chris Murphy and Brian Schatz have been tweeting that way we’ll before he ever heard of AOC

AOC is going to destroy this site by convincing a bunch of elderly rich career politicians and their weirdo staffers to tweet more and tweet worse. God bless her https://t.co/asF6dyW1Rs

— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) January 18, 2019

Increasingly don’t think Beto is running

something tells me the socialists 4 beto account is not entirely serious

pic.twitter.com/QLB3rH780F

— Socialists for Beto (@socialists4beto) December 14, 2018

b-b-b-but then who would politico write about

xp

beto was #2 which seems totally wrong to me

this early it is easier to be wrong than be president. at a guess, I'd say beto is number two by representing the fantasy of a "centrist candidate who can appeal to big money contributors, be a southern white male, and still possibly excite many pieces of the democratic coalition because he's young, good-looking and can be sold to blacks as a not-racist".

i'd rate the following as more likely primary winners than beto: kamala, sanders, warren, sherrod, biden, booker, klobuchar, gillibrand. maybe he'd be right at the end there along klobuchar and gillibrand but no higher than that. i mean this is just based on my gut i don't really know anything.

is anyone good running/going to run

no, there are no good people in politics

unless like, Russ Feingold shows up

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wait until Deez Nuts make a formal announcement imo

i deeznuts do solemnly swear

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