the alt-right

The lib handwringing that tipsy alludes to has indeed been aggravating. As if they are just trying to once again be mediators that nobody adked them to be.

Mordy otm throughout

it's not the worth energy spent on it except that ppl view this as a prism to project all the other culture wars stuff they've been fighting - it's a symbolic flash point. so ppl are confusing all these other commitments they have for this event as tho by fighting this they can work out all the other stuff bothering them. and this keeps happening over and over. and if you're not exhausted by it it's probably bc you are getting something psychologically out of it. even if they send this kid to jail for life or he can't get a job or get into the college he wants or whatever consequence you're hoping for it won't fix or change anything in this country or in your life. it's not true that by holding this kid accountable trump or brett kavanaugh will be held accountable. humanity is full of bad ppl getting away with bad things. there's an entire branch of theology dedicated to resolving that friction. we're not going to solve it by deciding whether it's really a choad of the corn or just a facsimile.

it's not the worth energy spent on it except that ppl view this as a prism to project all the other culture wars stuff they've been fighting - it's a symbolic flash point. so ppl are confusing all these other commitments they have for this event as tho by fighting this they can work out all the other stuff bothering them

all of this is absolutely correct. the teens are still assholes imo.

also i do think that these sort of "flashpoints" or spectacles do have a way of steering discourse and affecting minds--and not just in the age of social media. activism itself often recognizes the usefulness of certain kinds of spectacle which aren't themselves the concrete stuff of policy or social change, but have symbolic value. so i'm not entirely sure what the advantage of running away from discussing this stuff is. that said, i'm not sure what the advantage of dwelling on it is, either.

Ftr i don't believe in ruining anybody's life over it. I have problems with some (repeat, some) aspects of callout culture, typically when it seeks a punishment greatly in excess of the crime.

it's not the worth energy spent on it except that ppl view this as a prism to project all the other culture wars stuff they've been fighting - it's a symbolic flash point

This is otm through and through. People view things as a prism for projection. It's never not been thus, it's how humanity rolls.

ime with this event ppl on the left are inclined to view it one way, people on the right the opposite, and everyone else is splitting the difference and shrugging their shoulders. similarly with gillette commercial. ppl who were primed to love it loved it, ppl primed to hate it hated it. ppl not primed one way or the other had a more complicated take (some good, some bad, or just agnosticism). i don't see that these things move the needle and when they do it's just as likely to create opposite and equal reactions.

well it's that and copout ego trips xp

It is kinda funny though that as soon as the student sympathizers find a video they feel paints them in a better light, it's now the COMPLETE IREFFUTABLE VIDEO, and not a vid that leaves many of the students offscreen, inaudible, and us rife with awkward camera angles.

i don't see that these things move the needle

which things? some do, some don't. maybe not this one.

otm, ego trips underrated imo xxp

Fair points, Neanderthal.

If we are taking votes, I am in the fuck that kid camp.

phrasing

well, he is going to catholic school.

If we are taking votes, I am in the fuck that kid camp.

― Yerac, Monday, 21 January 2019 19:54 (ten minutes ago) Permalink

electoral college means that kid wins

At least this kid is getting an early lesson that he shouldn't dress so provocatively or hang out with people taking their tops off or stand directly in someone's personal space where it might be misinterpreted a certain way.

lol that is a v good take

it's not the worth energy spent on it

Mordy otm on this but not much else tbh.

imo the lesson should be that pro-life field trips are a lot less about active engagement and a lot more about rote expression of received values

in this case, the actual values came out when they started chanting at a completely different event than they were there for. save your energy for the march! this isn't your fight

i'd give the students a very small portion of blame for the whole thing compared to the school chaperones and their parents, who think having teens (who likely don't give a shit) chanting at a pro-life event does anything useful at reinforcing their beliefs or convincing others

what are the odds the kids smuggled a bunch of booze and more than a few of them are buzzed in the pics? having known some kids who went to a similar, but overall less conservative private catholic school, i'd say... pretty good

teens old enough to decide to face up/down to old dudes are old enough to be blamed for being dickheads mh

They were high off of listening to Ben Shapiro and his baby hitler fanfic.

you're just underestimating how much blame i'm pouring on their parents and school

Yes. But are they old enough to be publicly blamed for being dickheads by millions of anonymous adults?

2xp

yeah

we'll say one thousand blame points for school, 750 for parents, 500 or so for the kids

teenagers nowadays are living in warhol squared best they get used to the concept

They were waiting for the bus to go home. They should've removed themselves (+ adults) from the situation completely.

I mean Covington is getting dragged at this point (with the rape and the blackface) so they are getting their blame points.

I blame society.

the parents

it takes a village

I gotta say, "Won't someone think of the pro-life, MAGA-hatted, teen dickholes" was not a take I expected on ILX.

Let's try to stay positive people: maybe their bus will crash on the way to their next rally.

People really love the good guy exception. People will break their backs trying to hand it out.

Let's try to stay positive people: maybe their bus will crash on the way to their next rally.

We'll send over Prince Philip to drive it.

L.O.L

Damn, crazy that there's so many people worrying about whether Nicholas Sandmann, whose mother Julie Sandmann is the vice president of Relationship Management at Fidelity Investments and father Ted Sandmann is a sales manager for a VT Hackney "deserves to have his life ruined" over this

Good thing you're here to cut through the crap and set us on the right moral track whenever we begin to exhibit signs of concern trolling.

wow shocking the mob is taking the "mobs are good" position

my take: medium-sized groups with meetings and discussion, mobs, and individuals can all be horrible but in different, dynamically awful ways

worry not he'll be sailing though his senate confirmation for a federal judgeship in 2040.

I really wanted to join the mob when I read the Lucky Santangelo series in jr high. But soon realized I would never be accepted.

it takes a village

to raise a chud?

mob mentality is what those teen boys were displaying while waiting for their bus.

xp at Yerac : I grew up with a number of post-Godfather movie italian kids (well, the ones who did not go to private catholic school) and the kids who affected the "hey, my family totally has cool mob ties" shtick kind of ruined the whole thing for me

I was young and those books were such great trash reads.

worry not he'll be sailing though his senate confirmation for a federal judgeship in 2040.

Only if he's been keeping his calendars!

he probably won't face permanent consequences for being caught on camera in a MAGA hat smirking at a native american maybe in a more enlightened society