the alt-right

I made this, don't fp me thx - Public Shaming C/D?

It's really not that hard to figure out if a facebook account is on private or public, and most other cases are about as easy.

I don't think the public/private distinction holds a lot of the time, or that the idea of 'public' stands up to much scrutiny, just different degrees of privacy and control. ppl share a lot more when they don't think they're going to be under enormous scrutiny from strangers, it's not all fair game. saying you give up your anonymity/privacy by marching is only attractive when you're against the ppl protesting. the police in the UK were recently found to have reported disabled protestors to the department of work and pensions to see if mb they should have their benefits cut. just checking everything's in order with ppl who have voluntarily entered the public sphere, what's the big deal?

The problem here is putting pressure on work and pensions. That's never a right thing to do.

there's no reason to trust authorities with information abt protestors

Always some muthafucka on the internet tellin me I ain’t seein what I’m seein. Little white bitches in red hats symbolizing the lowest impulses there are. Fuck em!!! https://t.co/68uZXrdvTz

— Ron Perlman (@perlmutations) January 22, 2019

The point is, identifying Charlottesville protestors wasn't doxxing.

How no? It seems like you're splitting things into 'good' doxxing an 'bad' doxxing, just so you can say you don't think doxxing is okay. It seems like the same kind of thing - people searching through facebook pages etc. to find and publish someone's identity. (To be clear, I support doxxing fascists).

I am confused, Charlottesville protestors, we are talking about the identifying of people who committed crimes/hate crimes?

dude, I already explained it. I'm not going to repeat myself. It's not the same thing, for reasons I've already outlined.

Doxxing is a good when done to people I don’t like and bad when done to people I do like, just like anything else, ppl act like this is an inconsistent stance to have but I don’t see why

it makes perfect sense.

You're allowed to connect the dots between freely given information. A facebook-page is freely given information. If you go to a demonstration, that's freely given information. Someone snaps a video of you doing something shitty on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, that is not freely given information. And there must be a better term than 'freely given information', but I don't know it.

It’s a kid

This is like when a fellow teacher alerted me that some kids tweeted that they hated me because my pop quiz was too hard. It felt 1.) dumb and 2.) kind of like a violation, because the kids didn’t intend for me to see their angry cactus emojis

Can we move this to the thread that was just created for it

I think I hate the word 'kid'.

Fine

He was not an adult. He is not allowed legally to buy cigarettes.

You can't do anything in the US until you're 28 or sumthin '.

^ great John Mellencamp song

Someone bought him that hat with someone's money, though. And he put it on on purpose.

If you go to a public demonstration where the point is to be aggressively present and visible, then wear a Trump hat, whose point is to be aggressively present and visible, then get in someone's face (whatever the context), which is very aggressively present and visible, then do it in front of dozens of cameras, then no one can be surprised when your identity is revealed. (This goes for this choad and Charlottesville MAGA people alike.) Further, when you hire a PR firm to try to spin things your way, that is the opposite of seeking privacy and anonymity, let alone playing the "innocent" card. That is bringing *more* attention to yourself and trying to control the narrative to your benefit.

You can't buy hats in Kentucky until you're 21

Pretty sure you get a trucker had in the hospital, along with those cute newborn blankets.

I was struck by a Britney Spears show I had to review years ago. She was going through her "I'm not a girl, yet not a woman" shtick, and I remember writing, at the time, come on, there are people younger than you dying in Iraq, your coy act is stupid.

Trucker *hat*, ugh. And I love Kentucky, btw.

These kids/kidults/whatever are SO not going to have their lives ruined.

He's old enough to grasp the evil that lies at the heart of his community and hence old enough to rebel against his family, his teachers and his neighbours, having understood within himself – for these things spontaneously occur once you hit a certain age, especially when you're a millennial, i.e. wired to be woke – that his surroundings are all founded on heinous lies. Never mind that he lacks any firsthand experience of diversity, having been raised within a xenophobic bubble of white American mediocrity, he is privy to the same universal human consciousness as the rest of us. Indeed, we can all instinctively agree that his actions were wrong – our environment, the values we are taught to uphold, the ethical experience we've acquired over the years, all of these incidental details are swept away by our shared natural understanding of what is right and meet, which transcends both time and place.

publicly acting the fucker is not a protected act

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cogent point tho stevie!

Further, when you hire a PR firm to try to spin things your way, that is the opposite of seeking privacy and anonymity, let alone playing the "innocent" card. That is bringing *more* attention to yourself and trying to control the narrative to your benefit.

the PR thing seems totally counterproductive tbh, but I guess I can understand why you'd react that way if you had the money and your teenage son had suddenly become this weeks official internet hate figure. I feel like some people are underestimating how terrifying it would be in the moment if something like this happened to you, even if it did't have a significant long term impact on the course of your life?

(lots of ppl have been comparing the kid to Kavanaugh, and one area where this seems accurate is the bizarre overegging in the defence, if Kavanaugh had said "I admit I was sometimes a fratty asshole as a teen, but I never sexually assaulted anyone" more people would have bought that than him trying to present himself as a choirboy, the 'silent prayer' thing seemed similar?)

I didn't know who the dummy was until he hired a PR firm and revealed himself. The fact that his parents had the wherewithal to immediately hire and pay for a PR firm in the first place I think is part of the story. It's not about what's right or wrong, or owning up to that, it's about making sure your side of the story is the one that people believe, or believe enough to counter the prevailing narrative. Which is to say, using your money and privilege to change the discussion in your favor. Buying a big bouquet of "both sides do it."

This thread is so weird. My fb, with a lot of oldschool ilxors, is firmly on the 'these kids were all terrible and stop apologizing for maga hat wearing anti-choice assholes' side.

if only all life could be as homogeneous and acceptable as our curated echo chamber fb feeds

it could be if you wish hard enough.

You mean like the fact that we tend to associate with people we like and not people we find terrible?

If that's an echo chamber so be it

Xpost

if every thread was a poll we wouldn't have to type as much and could find out who was on what side

Tribalism ftw.

Jfc it isn't tribalism

i mean that if you find everyone agrees on contentious issues maybe you've just done an excellent job weeding out alternative opinions from your life. on ilx unless you employ a killfile that's harder to do. twitter and fb make it easy.

Mordy is ilx’s #1 republican socializer

Not to mention contrarian opinions are still quite mild here – in the grand scheme of things, our disagreements are risible.

i don't think it's weird that you're carefully curated opinion factories are more in line with what you like to see than a place where you exert less control over the responses. i'm sure if we were fb friends yerac would've unfriended or unfollowed me a long time ago to preserve the cultivated garden.

I mean it is true, I did a very good job at weeding out benghazi torture porn memes on my fb.

i probably do socialize with more republicans now than any other ilxor i'd guess since i live in a community where politics are a secondary identification at best and there aren't enough of us to splinter into even smaller groups. whereas if you don't belong to a tiny ancient religious sect you have the luxury of picking and choosing associates by who they voted for.

that should probably be an xpost

I’m probably the least left of most of the people I know, they are all humoring me so far but it’s only a matter of time I’m sure

Not to mention contrarian opinions are still quite mild here – in the grand scheme of things, our disagreements are risible.

it is a discussion board afterall. if we abandon the value of people discussing things with some level of mutual trust and benefit of the doubt, and maybe the possibility of changing our minds we might as well not bother.

I think there's a fair point in not inviting total assholes into your consciousness or giving assholeishness more attention than you can avoid which is not necessarily the same as creating your own echo chamber

Obviously what constitutes assholeishness is up for debate

Idk about you but I don’t want to convince anyone I just type my opinions into the box for the dopamine rush