the alt-right

i mean that if you find everyone agrees on contentious issues maybe you've just done an excellent job weeding out alternative opinions from your life. on ilx unless you employ a killfile that's harder to do. twitter and fb make it easy.

Mordy is ilx’s #1 republican socializer

Not to mention contrarian opinions are still quite mild here – in the grand scheme of things, our disagreements are risible.

i don't think it's weird that you're carefully curated opinion factories are more in line with what you like to see than a place where you exert less control over the responses. i'm sure if we were fb friends yerac would've unfriended or unfollowed me a long time ago to preserve the cultivated garden.

I mean it is true, I did a very good job at weeding out benghazi torture porn memes on my fb.

i probably do socialize with more republicans now than any other ilxor i'd guess since i live in a community where politics are a secondary identification at best and there aren't enough of us to splinter into even smaller groups. whereas if you don't belong to a tiny ancient religious sect you have the luxury of picking and choosing associates by who they voted for.

that should probably be an xpost

I’m probably the least left of most of the people I know, they are all humoring me so far but it’s only a matter of time I’m sure

Not to mention contrarian opinions are still quite mild here – in the grand scheme of things, our disagreements are risible.

it is a discussion board afterall. if we abandon the value of people discussing things with some level of mutual trust and benefit of the doubt, and maybe the possibility of changing our minds we might as well not bother.

I think there's a fair point in not inviting total assholes into your consciousness or giving assholeishness more attention than you can avoid which is not necessarily the same as creating your own echo chamber

Obviously what constitutes assholeishness is up for debate

Idk about you but I don’t want to convince anyone I just type my opinions into the box for the dopamine rush

as a side note i'll never understand ppl who prefer a garden of agreement to dissent just bc it seems so boring to me. i already know what i think, what do i gain from seeing it replicated and echoed back to me? i'd prefer a thousand offensive opinions should bloom but at least i'm stimulated by a thought i haven't already had before than i'm trapped in some solipsistic political being john malkovichism ideological construct.

I didn't mind seeing the thing hashed out on here. I wasn't sure whether to trust my initial reaction and it was useful to see some opposing takes.

Hell yesterday some media sites started their "y'know, maybe these videos don't exonerate the kids" pivots. No majors, but Slate, Medium.

The whole rollout was essentially...

News: Reports from witnesses that a bunch of MAGA kids taunted Native Americans. Seems there was a dispute between boys and handful of Black men...not sure what about.

*new video*

Public: OMG LYING MEDIA! New context completely exonerates the kids.

"Uhh wait the vids don't disprove certain things, just don't confirm them all, and are largely zoomed in and missing lots of the action"

Public: nope, case closed! No new videos or testimony will be considered

yea I've definitely got some friends who are Republicans and most of 'em haven't deleted me from FB yet, but there's no interaction there because they either just don't comment about politics b/c they're sick of getting shouted down or they've gone full-blown into QAnon and share links from literal white supremacist blogs

you'd think it would diminish after 20k posts or so but every time it feels euphoric

xpost to silby

xxp to NV tbc the complaint or observation is surprise there's any dissent at all here on this thread. if the contention is that this dissent is "total assholes" well okay but i mean ppl are pretty polite here generally or at least i try to be.

no Mordy I didn't mean that I just think there is a level of "opinion" for any given individual that is so repugnant or dumb that one shouldn't feel obliged to seek it out

ok but that's a little off topic no? we're talking about fairly rational discourse here not just some odious degenerate explaining why blacks are dumb and jews control all the money.

I think most people don't know how someone votes or what religion they follow, I know I don't. But somehow it all falls neatly a certain way these days (less so religion because I absolutely don't care what religion someone follows).

Xp

Yeah but "echo chamber" arguments veer in that direction sometimes I think. They're not the best critique of a failure to analyse your own core beliefs? Really I'm not sure that "debate" is the strongest method of self-critique at all

Have ya maybe considered that someone's environment dictates who they're friends with, dictates their social media feed?

I'm a 38 year old kid who spent most of his late teens and 20s around the Theatre Community. That's where most of my friends come from. So obviously they slant liberal and LGBTQ friendly. We argue about things all the time. I'm further left than most of them.

I also have a lot of friends outside of that community. I don't screen for political beliefs before I'll allow a friendship. But I won't just add randos on social media either. Usually people i know IRL. This includes conservative friends. But it stands to reason that I'm friends with more left leaners, y'know. Cos those are the people i see the most in my daily life.

I can't remember the last time I saw a knockdown drag out battle on someone's wall that didn't begin "who the fuck are you, anyway? I don't remember adding you"

I have had two Trumpers on my wall show their asses. One posted a huge, idiotic post defending the Charlottesville Unite the Righters and bashing Antifa. He was a high school friend, I said "k maybe I didn't know you after all" and defriended him and he has spent the last two years whining to my IRL pals that I blocked him over a disagreement (you say potato, I say "hate speech").

The other shows his ass and is rude to friends all the time but I didn't dare defriend him cos i know him IRL and ohhh the whining.

My original weird thread statement was really more about how they turned this into a total rashomon event when it was pretty clear from the beginning.The word gaslit is being thrown around so much but it was starting to feel like that here. And it's fine to get all debate clubby but ilx is pretty male dominated these days so whatever opinion I have I am going to amplify it more.

Xxxposts

mordy, if you want to be my fb friend all you had to do was ask.

well tell me - do u do that thing where you post some daily outrage link to slate or salon and just like one word "THIS" (this is the ilxor fb house style) bc we could become friends but i'd have to unfollow u immediately.

someone can support feminism without supporting a carceral state or shaming. saying 'oh some men are here' doesn't make you automatically more left-leaning than them. a true discussion of our relative privileges in relation to each other would require a deeper analysis of our actual lives than most can be bothered with - ideally we should probably avoid assumptions from that sphere.

xpost

And it's fine to get all debate clubby but ilx is pretty male dominated these days so whatever opinion I have I am going to amplify it more.

w/ affection i say this, u strike me as the kind of person who is happy to share their opinion no matter what the gender makeup of the crowd

i very rarely post on my own wall but when i do start shit once a year or so i get a little thrill watching my "friend" count go down.

xpost I post twice a year and I am over a year behind. I actually do unfriending maintenance quarterly but mostly because I don't know them in real life and they never post/comment and I like to keep my friend count low.

Yeah I am opinionated but mostly because I am usually right. Ha!

I didn't know who the dummy was until he hired a PR firm and revealed himself. The fact that his parents had the wherewithal to immediately hire and pay for a PR firm in the first place I think is part of the story. It's not about what's right or wrong, or owning up to that, it's about making sure your side of the story is the one that people believe, or believe enough to counter the prevailing narrative. Which is to say, using your money and privilege to change the discussion in your favor. Buying a big bouquet of "both sides do it."

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:21 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was thinking about this last night and this morning, that part of what "that look" on the student's face is communicating is that his actions have never had consequences for him (though they may for others). And his family being able to hire a Republican/GOP-related PR firm to protect him from consequences this time around is perfectly in line with his privilege. If nothing else, he probably has a job already lined up for him at the Federalist Society in about 10 years.

So yes, his arrogance is itself offensive, on top of his actions, and it probably does trigger a lot of people who have been oppressed by little princes of the world with that confidence of immunity. It's a shitty system. We should dismantle it and build a better one.

tbc his actions in this case are standing still and smirking afai/wk he did not say or do anything else

i may not agree with your smirk but i will defend to the death half-heartedly online your right to make it

make a smirker great again

could be the shape of his skull

What we really should be talking about is L'il Ben Shapiro delivering his March for Life speech as a podcast episode and reading live advertisements to the attending crowd. And then losing advertisers.

yes IO is otm -- the kid needs work, but the society that produced him needs an overhaul

At the time, Nintendo of America had strict censorship policies concerning what sort of content could be depicted or referenced in any game published for a Nintendo system. In the original Japanese version, the DREK "empire" is actually the resurrected Nazi regime, but this was changed so as to fit the prohibition against political advocacy, racial and or ethnic stereotyping.

Yet, some of the changes were more complete than others. The final boss, Smirk, is clearly a cyborg version of Adolf Hitler and a file retrieved by Togo during a base infiltration in Greece retains a swastika on it, which is visible in the player's inventory area. Nintendo required that Golgo had his profession changed to spy rather than assassin, per its prohibition on graphic violence and gore.

NOA's smirk

just sharing the Light of the Lord

Newest video to surface of the Covington kids shows one of them yelling to a group of girls “IT’S NOT RAPE IF YOU ENJOY IT!” Fuck anyone who is still defending them. Catholic Schools in the south like Covington are incubators for vile racism and misogyny.pic.twitter.com/j65KhqWeaG

— Andrew Wortman (@AmoneyResists) January 22, 2019

I hope no-one is planning to single out the poor child who shouted “IT’S NOT RAPE IF YOU ENJOY IT!” for any special attention - that would be disgraceful.

One thing after another

please single out that child so you can demonstrate you understand the difference between a smirk and verbal abuse

this has been one of the most pointless ilx clusterfucks in quite some time

We could spend the rest of our lives watching footage of stupid teenagers saying and doing stupid things tbh.

this has been one of the most pointless ilx clusterfucks in quite some time

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:25 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah cmon theres been fuck all competition!

Make ILX Clusterfuck Again

the crowd of schoolkids as a whole were being rowdy and obnoxious, this particular kid who ppl are enthusiastically turning into an emblem of everything bad in Trump's America is almost certainly an asshole, but I no-one deserves this

― soref, Monday, January 21, 2019 11:01 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

For Sandmann and his colleagues, their actual intentions and motivations seem vital to any account of what took place. But not only can we never really know what those were, they also don’t matter once the original video has been shot and shared. That short clip shows a young man with a smirk, wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, appearing to stare down a Native elder: Simply describing the scene, at this political and cultural moment, suggests a racist threat.

That’s not just because the internet makes it easy to come to simple and quick conclusions, and to spread those answers as truth before verification. It’s also because such an edit almost seems purpose-built to service that conclusion. It juxtaposes an almost perfect avatar for apparent white nationalism, maga hat and all, with the apparent cultural frailty of a brown-skinned victim carrying out an act of indigenous humility. Whether Sandmann and Phillips are telling the truth or not matters only marginally—the image and the clip take on a life of their own, reproducing a conflict that viewers have already been primed to seek out by the overall political situation and their place in it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/01/viral-clash-students-and-native-americans-explained/580906/

make a smirker great again

NOA's smirk