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People who have the energy for moral outrage can be directed to use that energy for something practical too--they can be/get organized. How can more of that happen?

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit)

i don't know how that happens without people who are already committed putting in a lot of work. people have to be taught the skills involved, often mentored.

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i would like to again express my displeasure with any strategy that involves conscious avoidance of _provoking_ racist demagogues. this seems to me like an implicitly or explicitly victim-blaming strategy.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:44 (five years ago) link

did someone use the word 'provoking'

FernandoHierro, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:51 (five years ago) link

is that how de-platforming works fernando?

because last i checked not only was this kid not deplatformed, he ended up on the today show

the late great, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link

i would like to again express my displeasure with any strategy that involves conscious avoidance of _provoking_ racist demagogues. this seems to me like an implicitly or explicitly victim-blaming strategy.

― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Wednesday, January 23, 2019 2:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just to bolster this point, demos just did a fresh study that i presented on yesterday indicating that frames that alienate the firm opposition track with increased support from our base (as distinct from ourselves, advocates) & the mixed-views persuadables.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link

what

topical mlady (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link

lol

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link

messages that alienate our opponents are not a bad thing but a good thing xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:01 (five years ago) link

i think what's good is that sort of wide-ranging policy-based message, vs the singling-out of people or small groups of people who do something that offends the left's sensibilities. i think the former leads to the base galvanizing and becoming stronger, and the latter leads to people rushing to someone's defense and a bullshit redemption arc that winds up being more of a validation.

omar little, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link

xp you know i wasnt zinging you i just literally could not parse that f

topical mlady (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link

haha yeah i read it again and i couldn't parse it either

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link

i would agree but the relationship is not causal or direct, i.e. the things that most outrage "our" "enemies" are not necessarily best at galvanizing "our" "base"

the late great, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:19 (five years ago) link

Different things with different messengers appeal to different people.

I was just thinking that a big grievance towards most politicians, parties, people with any sort of power, your friends and neighbors, is that they have distinctly been avoiding even acknowledging racism/sexism for our entire lives. This is why I often hear that white people will never, ever truly be an ally, forget them, look after your own.

Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link

the things that most outrage "our" "enemies" are not necessarily best at galvanizing "our" "base"

― the late great, Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:19 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree, but what i'm getting at by highlighting the point is that i don't think we should let alienating the opposition stop us from using messaging that galvanizes the left base -- and, separately, it seems to me that making them howl marginalizes them further from the general public.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link

I recommend ash sarkar's interview with hbomberguy on novara abt his recent marathon donkey kong 64 twitch fundraiser and one of the things he talks abt is how part of what helped such a large group of ppl suggest was having graham linehan as a hate figure. i think ppl often underestimate how effective a negative focus like that can be in helping a group rally

ogmor, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:49 (five years ago) link

hbomberguy on novara abt his recent marathon donkey kong 64 twitch fundraiser a

damn i must be old -- is this english?

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:55 (five years ago) link

it's ok to have bad people angry at you

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Thursday, 24 January 2019 00:57 (five years ago) link

damn i must be old -- is this english?

― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy)

does this mean i'm young for understanding it? (i'm not young)

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Thursday, 24 January 2019 00:58 (five years ago) link

i think you should take it! :)

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 24 January 2019 01:03 (five years ago) link

c'mon Gummy I'm 52 and have never used Twitch and am not a gamer and even I know what all that means

sleeve, Thursday, 24 January 2019 01:04 (five years ago) link

donkey kong 64 is 20 years old

ogmor, Thursday, 24 January 2019 08:58 (five years ago) link

donkey kong 84

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Thursday, 24 January 2019 14:44 (five years ago) link

Imagine a prehensile foot stamping on Mario's face...forever

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:06 (five years ago) link

Native American activist Nathan Phillips has a criminal record https://t.co/EOUOoeu1Mb pic.twitter.com/2Efl6qWjMY

— New York Post (@nypost) January 24, 2019

holy shit that chud PR firm is good

frogbs, Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link

Have we discussed anywhere this guy taking a guilty plea to a terrorism charge? Hope this clears the way for more accurate labeling of white supremacist terrorists as they are charged in our justice system.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/nyregion/timothy-caughman-white-supremacist-guilty.html

peace, man, Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:00 (five years ago) link

this week's ep on Covington

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 January 2019 07:29 (five years ago) link

Sounds like the plot to Michel Houellebecq's Submission.

pomenitul, Monday, 28 January 2019 11:44 (five years ago) link

The fuck is he talking about 11 year olds dancing? I missed this particular piece of propaganda.

peace, man, Monday, 28 January 2019 11:51 (five years ago) link

A supposedly autistic 11 year old boy in drag danced at a gay bar in NYC, patrons threw money at him, deplorables are losing their minds on Twitter, Infowars, the Daily Wire, Breitbart, LifeSite, etc.

pomenitul, Monday, 28 January 2019 11:58 (five years ago) link

A supposedly autistic 11 year old boy in drag danced at a gay bar in NYC, patrons threw money at him
???
Sharia law!

Neil S, Monday, 28 January 2019 12:09 (five years ago) link

i for one am looking forward to weird mike's blockbuster new book sharia mindset

maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 28 January 2019 12:16 (five years ago) link

Tbf there's always been a horseshoe effect between the Western far-right and rigourist Islam.

pomenitul, Monday, 28 January 2019 12:19 (five years ago) link

Someone should tell them about the dancing boys in Afghanistan

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 28 January 2019 12:25 (five years ago) link

The way that was written I thought this boy was randomly put on stage and dressed up, he's a legit drag performer.

Yerac, Monday, 28 January 2019 12:26 (five years ago) link

Tbf there's always been a horseshoe effect between the Western far-right and rigourist Islam.

― pomenitul, Monday, January 28, 2019 12:19 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not really a horseshoe though.

peace, man, Monday, 28 January 2019 12:28 (five years ago) link

Sounds like the plot to Michel Houellebecq's Submission.

― pomenitul, Monday, January 28, 2019 6:44 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure does. it's also not totally new for the far right.

In his recent book, "The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11," conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza maintains that the political left has helped make the United States the target of Islamic extremists. "A decadent American culture" and "an aggressive global campaign to undermine the traditional patriarchal family and to promote secular values," D'Souza writes, has made Muslims feel that "their most cherished beliefs and institutions are under assault."

According to D'Souza, the best way to resist radical Islam is to make common cause with Muslim traditionalists who reject Western decadence and secularism but also shun violence and extremism.[/q]

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:27 (five years ago) link

sorry i messed up the whatever html whatever

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:28 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

get this off my screen, it's too spicy

Who is worse?

The drug dealer?

Or the drug user?

When it came to slavery, blacks were the dealers.

Whites were the users.

— Stefan Molyneux (@StefanMolyneux) February 12, 2019

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:44 (five years ago) link

wow

gbx, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:45 (five years ago) link

that is one spicy fucking take

ian, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link

Well then.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link

Kanye solemnly nodding

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link

Dftt ffs

Stephen Yakkety-Yaxley-Rosbif (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link

he is referring to the slaves in africa being supplied by african slavers (then conflating those slavers and slaves into "blacks"). he is a real piece of work. i've seen some of his stuff through the youtube channel "Shaun" that examines some popular far right figures.

adam the (abanana), Thursday, 14 February 2019 02:48 (five years ago) link

Never in doubt

Portland, Oregon, official says report that a police commander exchanged friendly text messages with a leader of far-right protests that have rocked the city confirms collusion exists between some police and right-wing extremists. https://t.co/Xkk4iaD318

— AP West Region (@APWestRegion) February 15, 2019

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 15 February 2019 04:16 (five years ago) link

Whites were the users.

No. It was a free market and there was an exchange of commodities. Black slavers exchanged captives for various valuable western-made goods. White slavers bought human beings to be ruthlessly exploited until they died of illness, overwork, or malnutrition. Pretending human slaves are the same as an addictive substance is bollocks, unless you are citing white slave owners's greedy addiction to the huge profits they could make from sugar and cotton plantations.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 15 February 2019 04:35 (five years ago) link

why are y'all trying to stare into the abyss that is that take? there is like zero way to read it that isn't the dumbest shit ever written so why try to determine which stupid intention he had lol

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 15 February 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link

there is like zero way to read it that isn't the dumbest shit ever written

you greatly overestimate the average person's knowledge of history and ability to see through this sort of bullshit. it should not go unchallenged, wherever and whenever it shows up. even on ilx, where it was quoted only in order to mock it.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 15 February 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link

today in self-ownage

Terrible. Heart-breaking. And truly a sign of Trump’s America.
I’m with you. https://t.co/fJFtge8S8f

— Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) February 18, 2019

Lmao @JacobAWohl pic.twitter.com/yFgIAC164I

— Otto von Shidposd (@ottovonshitpost) February 17, 2019

frogbs, Monday, 18 February 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link


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