woody allen

like i'm still reading these articles out of morbid curiosity but when i got to that part i just realized there's no way i'm ever gonna figure these ppl out.

I love how every accuser is always accused in turn for just doing it for the money, meanwhile Woody Allen is just out their claiming that he has 68 million on the line in a case where his camp has had some very nasty counter-accusations.

Nobody on the accusing-Woody side has been counteraccused of doing it for the money.

Allen's ruthless POS behavior toward his accusers just makes me think it's more likely that the accusations are true.

let's say he (or anyone) is innocent. What is the non-POS way to proceed?

(btw, there is one accusation.)

I am going to hang up and listen, bcz i'm not getting drawn into this Celebrity Mentalism shit.

A non-POS way to proceed could for instance be not to sue Mia Farrow for custody immediately after hearing about the accusation. That was a supremely POS thing to do.

was it also a "POS thing to do" when mia farrow abused her kids?

Difference is, my example was something that actually happened.

let's say he (or anyone) is innocent. What is the non-POS way to proceed?

either don't join in with that particular parlour game or just don't post

Is that aimed at JD? Because I don't get what it has to do with what I wrote?

As far as I can tell the most innocent-seeming way of denying an accusation is to make one statement along the lines of “I didn’t do that. I will not be commenting again.” People who did it tend to belabor the details.

Like cf shitbag child rapist ex-mayor of Seattle Ed Murray, who when accused of raping children, instead of just saying “I didn’t rape any children”, got a doctor’s note saying he had no moles on his penis in order to impeach the statement of one of his accusers. Innocent people don’t do that!

Is that aimed at JD? Because I don't get what it has to do with what I wrote?

― Frederik B, Friday, February 8, 2019 1:09 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

think harder

After some hard thinking, I'll conclude you can't read.

There have been abuse allegations against mia farrow for years. Doesn’t mean allen is innocent. It just means, as a separate fact, there are abuse allegations against farrow.

the most innocent-seeming way of denying an accusation is to make one statement along the lines of “I didn’t do that. I will not be commenting again.”

Allen did this in the NY Times several years ago. Such things have eternal life now, however.

I am going to hang up and listen, bcz i'm not getting drawn into this Celebrity Mentalism shit.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:35 AM

there really should be an ILX bookmaker function

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 9, 2019 8:42 AM

ok, fuxbye

social media makes it really hard to just accept the epistemological uncertainty here and move on.

would be easier if woody just died or stopped making movies. i guess he'll be forced to do the latter now.

Allen is definitely right that Amazon shouldn't be able to break a deal over allegations that were well known at the time, just because people take them more seriously now. That's why you don't hire people like Allen in the first place. One of those dilemmas, if Allen wins 68 millions, it might be tougher for assholes like him to get these types of contracts in the future.

yeah, he's probably done making films. social media outrage did what several decades of his films sucking couldn't

^ just checked and I've only seen three of his last 15 films, but two of them were bad

(Match Point and Vicky Cristina. Midnight In Paris was ok.)

I had to review Café Society and fully expected to slaughter it, but Vittorio Storaro's cinematography was very good. So the only Allen-review I ever got to write was positive...

now officially a European filmmaker

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/woody-allen-new-movie-spain

fwiw i believe several of his recent movies have been largely financed by european companies, and certainly several of them have been shot there.

But the flagship of his last film, and TV series, was Amazon.

sure, but, to get exceedingly pedantic, several of his 21st century films prior to his amazon contract were funded by european concerns and shot in europe. so he's "officially" been a european filmmaker for a while.

though it's probably true that if he keeps making movies in the future, european money will be his only recourse, since it's unlikely he'll find support in the states.

and the movies will all star Alec Baldwin, Diane Keaton, and Javier Bardem

oh, i'm sure he'll find some european ingenues to make doe eyes at some thinly-veiled, handsomer, slightly younger iteration of himself.

slightly younger? with Jesse Eisenberg, he's had to go two generations now.

yeah that occurred to me. i guess even liam neeson has got to be 15-20 years younger than woody at this point.

as opposed to earlier, when liam neeson was merely 10 years younger than woody.

if indeed he wasn't always

xp ffs

liam neeson gets younger every year fyi

A Rainy Day In New York coming out everywhere except the USA:

https://thefilmstage.com/trailer/first-trailer-for-woody-allens-a-rainy-day-in-new-york-starring-timothee-chalamet-elle-fanning-selena-gomez/

bcz of our sense of justice

if only it were because distributors realize his scripts are awful

agreed

https://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/A-Rainy-Day-in-New-York-620x308.png

Chalamet looking like a young Fran Lebowitz here.

Please don't lump us all in with the French and the Italians.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/amazon-studios-woody-allen-rainy-day-in-new-york-rights-1203220413/

it's crazy how his good/bad ratio fell off so completely around 2002 or so. Everything afterwards is so lazy and half-baked. Given that he's a incapable of evaluating is how work, I don't expect he'll ever cop to some big shift in his process but ... what happened around then? the Dreamworks deal? Did he lose some key collaborators or something?

Jean Doumanian?

xp. personally i feel like his ratio falls off somewhere just after, i dunno, deconstructing harry (which i actually don't even think is particularly good in hindsight, but in the terms of later period woody allen is definitely among the better pictures)

like if you take away sweet and lowdown and small time crooks the run of bad to mediocre that starts with celebrity kind of never stops

you don't like Sweet and Lowdown?

We can quibble about the demarcation point somewhat, it just feels like something went seriously awry at the start of the millenium

xps

yeah i guess i am quibbling a lot. i consider sweet and lowdown and small town crooks to be among the better movies he's made in the last 20 years. i'm honestly not crazy about either of them, but besides anything else/match point/whatever works they're masterpieces

by besides I'm meaning "in comparison to", oof. my brain