Allen's ruthless POS behavior toward his accusers just makes me think it's more likely that the accusations are true.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 8 February 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link
let's say he (or anyone) is innocent. What is the non-POS way to proceed?
(btw, there is one accusation.)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 19:34 (five years ago) link
I am going to hang up and listen, bcz i'm not getting drawn into this Celebrity Mentalism shit.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 19:35 (five years ago) link
A non-POS way to proceed could for instance be not to sue Mia Farrow for custody immediately after hearing about the accusation. That was a supremely POS thing to do.
― Frederik B, Friday, 8 February 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link
was it also a "POS thing to do" when mia farrow abused her kids?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 8 February 2019 20:51 (five years ago) link
Difference is, my example was something that actually happened.
― Frederik B, Friday, 8 February 2019 21:04 (five years ago) link
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 February 2019 21:05 (five years ago) link
either don't join in with that particular parlour game or just don't post
Is that aimed at JD? Because I don't get what it has to do with what I wrote?
― Frederik B, Friday, 8 February 2019 21:09 (five years ago) link
As far as I can tell the most innocent-seeming way of denying an accusation is to make one statement along the lines of “I didn’t do that. I will not be commenting again.” People who did it tend to belabor the details.
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 8 February 2019 21:10 (five years ago) link
Like cf shitbag child rapist ex-mayor of Seattle Ed Murray, who when accused of raping children, instead of just saying “I didn’t rape any children”, got a doctor’s note saying he had no moles on his penis in order to impeach the statement of one of his accusers. Innocent people don’t do that!
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 8 February 2019 21:12 (five years ago) link
― Frederik B, Friday, February 8, 2019 1:09 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
think harder
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 February 2019 21:17 (five years ago) link
After some hard thinking, I'll conclude you can't read.
― Frederik B, Friday, 8 February 2019 21:20 (five years ago) link
There have been abuse allegations against mia farrow for years. Doesn’t mean allen is innocent. It just means, as a separate fact, there are abuse allegations against farrow.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 8 February 2019 21:22 (five years ago) link
the most innocent-seeming way of denying an accusation is to make one statement along the lines of “I didn’t do that. I will not be commenting again.”
Allen did this in the NY Times several years ago. Such things have eternal life now, however.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 21:42 (five years ago) link
I am going to hang up and listen, bcz i'm not getting drawn into this Celebrity Mentalism shit.― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:35 AM
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:35 AM
there really should be an ILX bookmaker function
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 9, 2019 8:42 AM
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Friday, 8 February 2019 22:09 (five years ago) link
ok, fuxbye
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 22:16 (five years ago) link
social media makes it really hard to just accept the epistemological uncertainty here and move on.
would be easier if woody just died or stopped making movies. i guess he'll be forced to do the latter now.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 8 February 2019 22:17 (five years ago) link
Allen is definitely right that Amazon shouldn't be able to break a deal over allegations that were well known at the time, just because people take them more seriously now. That's why you don't hire people like Allen in the first place. One of those dilemmas, if Allen wins 68 millions, it might be tougher for assholes like him to get these types of contracts in the future.
― Frederik B, Friday, 8 February 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
yeah, he's probably done making films. social media outrage did what several decades of his films sucking couldn't
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Friday, 8 February 2019 22:32 (five years ago) link
^ just checked and I've only seen three of his last 15 films, but two of them were bad
(Match Point and Vicky Cristina. Midnight In Paris was ok.)
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Friday, 8 February 2019 22:39 (five years ago) link
I had to review Café Society and fully expected to slaughter it, but Vittorio Storaro's cinematography was very good. So the only Allen-review I ever got to write was positive...
― Frederik B, Friday, 8 February 2019 22:49 (five years ago) link
now officially a European filmmaker
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/woody-allen-new-movie-spain
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 February 2019 15:37 (five years ago) link
fwiw i believe several of his recent movies have been largely financed by european companies, and certainly several of them have been shot there.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
But the flagship of his last film, and TV series, was Amazon.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 February 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
sure, but, to get exceedingly pedantic, several of his 21st century films prior to his amazon contract were funded by european concerns and shot in europe. so he's "officially" been a european filmmaker for a while.
though it's probably true that if he keeps making movies in the future, european money will be his only recourse, since it's unlikely he'll find support in the states.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 16:57 (five years ago) link
and the movies will all star Alec Baldwin, Diane Keaton, and Javier Bardem
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
oh, i'm sure he'll find some european ingenues to make doe eyes at some thinly-veiled, handsomer, slightly younger iteration of himself.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link
slightly younger? with Jesse Eisenberg, he's had to go two generations now.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:18 (five years ago) link
yeah that occurred to me. i guess even liam neeson has got to be 15-20 years younger than woody at this point.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
as opposed to earlier, when liam neeson was merely 10 years younger than woody.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
if indeed he wasn't always
xp ffs
― ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
liam neeson gets younger every year fyi
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
A Rainy Day In New York coming out everywhere except the USA:
https://thefilmstage.com/trailer/first-trailer-for-woody-allens-a-rainy-day-in-new-york-starring-timothee-chalamet-elle-fanning-selena-gomez/
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link
bcz of our sense of justice
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link
if only it were because distributors realize his scripts are awful
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
agreed
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
https://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/A-Rainy-Day-in-New-York-620x308.png
Chalamet looking like a young Fran Lebowitz here.
― Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, 17 May 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link
Please don't lump us all in with the French and the Italians.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 18 May 2019 13:30 (four years ago) link
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/amazon-studios-woody-allen-rainy-day-in-new-york-rights-1203220413/
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 May 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
it's crazy how his good/bad ratio fell off so completely around 2002 or so. Everything afterwards is so lazy and half-baked. Given that he's a incapable of evaluating is how work, I don't expect he'll ever cop to some big shift in his process but ... what happened around then? the Dreamworks deal? Did he lose some key collaborators or something?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
Jean Doumanian?
― Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
xp. personally i feel like his ratio falls off somewhere just after, i dunno, deconstructing harry (which i actually don't even think is particularly good in hindsight, but in the terms of later period woody allen is definitely among the better pictures)
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
like if you take away sweet and lowdown and small time crooks the run of bad to mediocre that starts with celebrity kind of never stops
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
you don't like Sweet and Lowdown?
We can quibble about the demarcation point somewhat, it just feels like something went seriously awry at the start of the millenium
xps
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:21 (four years ago) link
yeah i guess i am quibbling a lot. i consider sweet and lowdown and small town crooks to be among the better movies he's made in the last 20 years. i'm honestly not crazy about either of them, but besides anything else/match point/whatever works they're masterpieces
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
by besides I'm meaning "in comparison to", oof. my brain
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link
his slide seems to roughly coincide with his realization that he could no longer credibly play a romantic lead, maybe that just sapped his interest
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
Yet from 2005 until fairly recently he released several films that became among his highest grossing: Match Point, Scoop, Midnight in Paris, To Rome with Love, Blue Jasmine.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
those movies are (mostly) bad!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link