Things you were shockingly old when you learned

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I think it evolved out of the American Breed. Had some of the same players at least.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 08:16 (five years ago) link

I would say the same about Portugal. The Man but...

Only a Factory URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 16:01 (five years ago) link

Yeah, for the longest time I wondered what Rufus Khan had been up to since he'd inadvisably split with Chaka. TBF, it seems almost deliberately misleading.

A functioning gazebo made of Candlebox cassingles (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link

without ever looking it up til now, i always assumed it had something to do with stax records' rufus thomas. so i wondered a few minutes ago if it was an homage or something. wrong again.

"They re-emerged in 1969 under the name "Smoke". In 1970, after switching their management to Bob Monaco and Bill Traut, the group's name changed again to "Ask Rufus", the name is taken from the title of the advice column in Mechanics Illustrated. "

andrew m., Tuesday, 19 February 2019 16:28 (five years ago) link

fr wiki

andrew m., Tuesday, 19 February 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link

Nothing deliberate about it (leave alone “misleading”), they were always a band, and were known as such. When they became famous through their songs with Chaka, they were billed as “Rufus featuring Chaka (Khan)”. Only when Chaka had become a star in her own right (as well), they became “Rufus & Chaka (Khan)”, but the album sleeves still clearly featured the whole band. I doubt that anyone at the time was picturing a “Rufus Khan”.

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:01 (five years ago) link

That Rufus of Rufus & Chaka Khan was a band not a man.

― Alba, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 2:31 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i had a recent, similar revelation about Tony Orlando & Dawn

we're far from the challops now (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link

chaka and the rufii

mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link

I doubt that anyone at the time was picturing a “Rufus Khan”.

if you were a child listening to the radio in your parents' car, or to the announcer at the ice rink, and not browsing LP sleeves from decades earlier in America, you were absolutely capable of picturing this

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link

“from decades earlier”? I said “at the time”. And sure, a young kid will picture all kinds of stuff in its mind, but I was responding to the suggestion it might have a been a “deliberately misleading” name. It wasn’t.

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:26 (five years ago) link

1970 might as well be decades earlier in the 1980s, when you have not been alive for even one decade

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:33 (five years ago) link

I for one welcome our new policy of rigorously factchecking every Old Lunch post, though.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:34 (five years ago) link

Nooooooooo

A functioning gazebo made of Candlebox cassingles (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link

FACT CHECK: yes.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:38 (five years ago) link

fact check the phrase “at the time”

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:59 (five years ago) link

you realise that, jokes aside, you are the one telling both OL and myself that we DIDN’T think Rufus was a person AT THE TIME, because we learnt years later that it was a band

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:15 (five years ago) link

this is classic ilx

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link

and that records from 1970 still existed in 1976 and 1983 and 1988 and 2017

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link

jim otm

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:18 (five years ago) link

breastcrawl would be shocked and amazed by the casual misconceptions about all kinds of things you can overhear in public

and half the time, it's not worth jumping in to correct them

I still feel bad that I even got into a discussion when I was around a group watching live U2 concert on television and I felt the need to correct a couple misconceptions. like, somehow there was an impression that "the Edge" had a real name of Brian Eno

long story short, I ended up in a discussion about U2 and still regret that

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:27 (five years ago) link

correct a couple misconceptions. like, somehow there was an impression that "the Edge" had a real name of Brian Eno

no, this is true, it's why he wears a hat and a silly beard to disguise himself

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link

my plausible misconception has been corrected

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:32 (five years ago) link

or maybe you could just read what I wrote (like my words in their context) instead of what you think I wrote.
(Is unmisconceptionalize a verb?)

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:46 (five years ago) link

see, the thing about words is what you mean to convey and what you actually convey depends on the audience's reception, context, etc.

and everyone else on the thread is like "whoa, why did that guy jump on Old Lunch's humorous musings about whether something was 'deliberate'" because in context we know he's jokey and implying a conspiracy is the type of joke

so that's the context you kind of jumped into, literally disputing something that -- at least to me -- was an ambiguous statement meant in jest

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:38 (five years ago) link

my dad has worked for a long time at a business called "ralph lastname, inc."

people call and ask for ralph. now, in this case, there was a ralph. he died over 45 years ago. but people make assumptions

i can state almost without a doubt that a band called "ask rufus" was in fact asked "which one of you is rufus?" at some point in their career and by changing their name to "rufus" they knew this would continue, and was in fact very funny

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:41 (five years ago) link

When I was a kid, other kids in the playground snottily insisted the song "Howzat" by Sherbert was about cricket. When I told them it was about a guy accusing his lady of cheating they all jeered at me like I was an idiot.

I bloody wasnt, grump.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link

^ I bet I wasn’t the only person itt who argued fruitlessly in the playground that the baddie in Star Wars was called Darth Vader, not Dark Fader

“darth vader? those aren’t even WORDS”

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 23:17 (five years ago) link

LOL

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 23:18 (five years ago) link

cricket is kind of like cheating on wife. both end in ashes, right

mh, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 00:11 (five years ago) link

Think of your cheating self as a batsman and your wife as a wicketeeper standing up at the wicket to a slow bowler - she'll whip your bails off if she catches you.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link

this is classic ilx

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its classic ilm and fuck it

ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 00:24 (five years ago) link

So I took a joke post by Old Lunch at face value? An Original Sin if there ever was one.

As to what happened after: sic quoted my “at the time” out of the context of my post and then transplanted it to their own context, thereby implying I said something I never said, and then doubled down and all-capsed on it, even after I had already acknowledged their point.

Then mh jumped in to do some ILXplaining while making assumptions about me based on the thing I never said that sic claimed I said.

I like a nice forest, but not when it consists of shifting goalposts. But that’s classic ILX for ya, I guess.

breastcrawl, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link

FWIW mine was actually not a joke post in this particular instance but I'm aware of the part I've played in muddying those waters so I understand the confusion.

A functioning gazebo made of Candlebox cassingles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 13:30 (five years ago) link

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mh, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 13:57 (five years ago) link

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dGA1_pou1fk/Vb5b7YXP0YI/AAAAAAAAYL8/5crK_E73pDw/s1600/S66-05120.jpg

i've been seeing images of the saturn/apollo rocket since i was born, and i never never considered ~where~ in the assembly the actual personnel module/capsule (ahem, "command module") was positioned, or what its actual parts scale looked like. and like, i've seen the usual movies and stuff. i can't believe how small the capsule is.

i'm more disappointed by my lack of curiosity to know than my actual ignorance.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link

iirc you can climb into (a facsimile of?) the command module at the air and space museum in DC

Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 16:14 (five years ago) link

is it cool?

I'm haunted by the memory of how I was incredibly jealous that other kids had been to this astronaut exhibit at our local science museum when I was a kid but I hadn't. I'd heard about how field trips would do activities showing what it's like to be on a space station, and it sounded so cool.

I wasn't shockingly old, but I finally made it through there in middle school and it was at that point I realized the whole thing was for ten year olds and it was mostly painted plywood and sheets of plastic that approximated an airlock. It was not, in fact, that cool.

mh, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

I was a huge airplane nerd when I was a kid and didn't get to the air and space museum until I was like 30 and it was still the best thing ever.

joygoat, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 16:55 (five years ago) link

speaking of apollo missions i only learned like yesterday that "the eagle has landed" wasn't like a cool secret codephrase, the lander was literally named Eagle and it had landed

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 16:59 (five years ago) link

Reading this thread it always surprises me what ilxors think they ought to have known at a much younger age, presumably because they believe such items were common knowledge to the great majority of their contemporaries.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link

I just heard somebody sing the chorus to My Old Man clearly so have heard the last line about the police which I don't think I heard before.
You can't trust a special like an old time copper when you can't find your way home.
Special is special constable which I think is a part time police officer.
Think I just never heard the line clearly but it just about makes sense now. Though might have thought even a part time pc might have some knowledge of the area. Or were they notoriously poorly informed cos they came from elsewhere or something.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 23:27 (five years ago) link

My Old Man is far more complicated than that.

The husband has organised a midnight flit because of rent arrears, compounded because his wife is an alcoholic. He contrives for her not to be able to travel with him but to make her own way to the new house, knowing she will pass too many pubs to resist, and end up drunk on the streets. She then does what she normally does, and relies on the police to deliver her home but when they try the house is empty.

She says you can't trust a special is because they haven't been able to return her to her husband, or home, because they have no way of knowing how to do so either through their own knowledge or hers and the 'normal' policeman can. Her claim, then, is that it must be their fault and not hers, the husbands it the booze.

(Potentially also she has made it to the right area of the new tenancy but because neither she of the police recognise her they can't help her, and because they're not the ones she knows they must be specials and not the real police.)

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 21 February 2019 08:23 (five years ago) link

Took me a while to realise this wasn’t a very deep reading of the Joni Mitchell song.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 21 February 2019 08:33 (five years ago) link

welcome breastcrawl

ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 February 2019 08:34 (five years ago) link

it’s a pleasure darraghmac

breastcrawl, Thursday, 21 February 2019 09:12 (five years ago) link

Thanks aldo.
Must need to hear the verses now.
& I assume the couple will either remain separated or have to find another new home now taht the cops have been brought down on their new one.
She's a liability innit?
I thought people tended to scarper in the dead of night, so what were the licensing hours? Were places open 24 hours pre WWI

Stevolende, Thursday, 21 February 2019 09:55 (five years ago) link

Took me a while to realise this wasn’t a very deep reading of the Joni Mitchell song.

Deeper than any Joni Mitchell song.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:05 (five years ago) link

Haha my mind went to Ian Dury.

Anyway I agree with Aldo's reading but the boozing is subtext rather than text, at least in this version of the lyric:

http://ingeb.org/songs/myoldman.html

Tim, Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:11 (five years ago) link

Ian Dury, same here. Or even that silly Lou Reed song.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:23 (five years ago) link

Wasn't sure what a cock linnet was either. & in the version the lyrics were linked to the narrator was going to pinch his bird seed.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/nature-studies-you-ve-heard-the-song-that-features-the-linnet-but-have-you-heard-the-linnet-sing-9356456.html

Stevolende, Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:26 (five years ago) link


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