British Right-Wing Pundits

I think it's mostly about making what they consider to be sexy, exciting television, if that helps the ratings that is obviously a good thing but I think it's primarily exciting for the programme makers, more exciting than talking to David Gauke again, for example.

the whole practice of "live television interviews" such as practiced by newsnight is generally reprehensible. they want to come up with "gotcha questions" and put people on the spot and in doing so overestimate their ability to control the medium in the face of practiced and experienced liars

the daily mirror running with: don't murderous nazi white supremacists make the cutest babies on the cover.

The Mail is running with ‘it was Facebook what done it’.

This Twitter argument between Abi Wilkinson and a bunch of people from LBC is something:

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

Racism and Islamophobia are positive things to challenge and its great that one of the presenters we employ calls out the racism and Islamophobia of all the other presenters we employ.

the whole practice of "live television interviews" such as practiced by newsnight is generally reprehensible. they want to come up with "gotcha questions" and put people on the spot and in doing so overestimate their ability to control the medium in the face of practiced and experienced liars

― the scientology of mountains (rushomancy),

This is unfathomable to me - the seeming inability to deal with practiced and serial liars, to the point where you are wondering even after the show - do they even know they've been had?

Flipside is the really poor level of some of the people that do go on, a complete inability to deal with even the slightest tough questioning. Its one of the reason i think Left-leaning guests SHOULD go on Fox, its the best practice out there

Or else just keep Barry Gardiner away from any TV studio anywhere.

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

Nick Griffin was out there giving talks twenty years ago about how the arguments needed to be about “culture” and “values”. And it has been for almost that long too.

In the modern day and age it’s engagement that drives numbers that drives profit, and the YouTube sea of recommendations is pulled from the people who spend the most time watching videos - conspiracy theorists and extremists to a man. Capitalism will stoke tensions, amplify bigots and count the profits with a # prayfor hashtag and a tear running down its cheek.

why....... are you hiring islamophobes?

Refresh the thread zebra :)

oh sorry see SV posted that upthread xps

extremely here for david aaronovitch getting a doing in tom kibasi’s mentions

Agree. The comparison with the IRA is obviously stupid. And afaik, after major IRA bombings, they weren’t given an unchallenged interview the night of the attacks. Aaronovitch obviously thinks these people have a point and it deserves to be heard.

— Tom Kibasi (@TomKibasi) March 16, 2019

Fucking hell! If I were him I’d be keeping the head down low, but there he goes jumping in with “genocidal racists have a right to free speech too!”

http://flavible.com/politics/map/polls?sid=1542

from 15th

Survation showing LAB with 4 point lead. YouGov has CON with 4 pointlead

oops wrong place

LBC producer admitting they employ racists:

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

Refresh the thread xyzebra

bah it was so good it was worth doing again

it was worth it for the wins joke

board description imo

Yep. That's where Tommy Robinson, the EDL the BNP, Column 88, the Aryan Brotherhood, Stormfront get all their ideas and information from - @thetimes. You fucking idiot.

— David Aaronovitch (@DAaronovitch) March 17, 2019

DA is not taking the observation that the Times has published some awful stuff well.

This is unfathomable to me - the seeming inability to deal with practiced and serial liars, to the point where you are wondering even after the show - do they even know they've been had?

Flipside is the really poor level of some of the people that do go on, a complete inability to deal with even the slightest tough questioning. Its one of the reason i think Left-leaning guests SHOULD go on Fox, its the best practice out there

― anvil

nah, honestly i find it very fathomable. that sort of belief that if you get someone to go on tv and say the 14 words, you've completely and thoroughly debunked them, because every right-thinking person is just born KNOWING why the 14 words are bad and god forbid you should have to explain it or anything

i don't think anybody needs "practice" arguing with the right. it posits argument as its own undifferentiated good. it isn't. there's nothing to discuss, the preconditions for rational discussion don't exist. i mean, shit, it's gotten to the point where our worldviews are so divergent the right is increasingly not even going to the trouble of misrepresenting us. "you'll never believe what the loony left is saying now - they're saying racism is a bad thing!"

(xp) Supreme effort of will by Aaronovitch to leave Corbyn off that list.

Also it's rare for anyone to see through a bullshitty thing in one lightbulb instant. Rather you need a steady diet of fairly critical thinking, and an accumulation of knowledge, and a freedom from distractions, which not everyone has

Impressive display of professional solidarity from the British press at the moment - with everyone from comment leaders to investigative journalists to beauty / lifestyle correspondents - ‘left’ and right alike - lining up to shout at Owen Jones.

If there is ever a point at which it’s expedient for them to stand up to racism, rather than exculpating their colleagues and employers, the country will be in safe hands.

What's he done

Suggested that people who work for newspapers without challenging their racist editorial lines, or work with racist colleagues without publicly repudiating their stories, are complicit in their racism.

If they can’t understand valid points about racial bias in the media (plus the top-down ways it’s reinforced away from ‘lifestyle’ journalism and within it, too) and the role of ordinary workers (however high-profile these people are, most are only freelance writers) in perpetuating it, they’re just being arseholes to OJ for the sake of impressing their clique. I got piled on in a FB thread after mildly snarking about Jess Phillips’ opportunistic social climb to Spectator parties and a book deal via the method of denigrating Diane Abbott in public, and suddenly I was the villain for suggesting it’s bad to drink champagne in a garden with Taki.

I don’t even like OJ but the way his colleagues pile on him & talk about him in public is disgraceful! Plus the way they refer to him as Squealer (an Animal Farm reference) is more than a bit homophobic and suggests they’re hiding behind plausible deniability to have that dig. But no, he’s the real problem.

Oh, also, several of them were delightedly tweeting a video of him being called a wanker by a yellow vest - before it emerged that he’d been chased down the street by the same group of protesters who were shouting homophobic abuse at him. Yet him asking the press to hold themselves to any standards is “Trumpean”.

Ron Liddle took a day off from the usual race-hate peddling yesterday in the ST for his other pet subject: that made up condition ME and the pathetic malingerers who claim to be afflicted with it. He needs to be put down in most brutally painful fashion rather than OJ (who I think is a complete wazzock as well tbh!).

Today: why does Owen Jones talk about the media like it applied to everybody? Saturday: have you seen Janice Turner's fantastic piece about the left?

— The Justin Horton Show (@ejhchess) March 18, 2019

Exactly. And let’s not forget JT’s husband is Exec Ed of the Sunday Times, so it’s up to him what goes in the paper. BTW, his father was Peter Preston, so I bet he rates himself as ‘liberal’.

Urgh

They forget the whole seeking truth aspect of journalism, eh.

Fraser Nelson is apparently suffering from false memory syndrome

How absurd. The standard phrase “cultural Marxism” - so old I was taught about it at uni - is labelled an antisemetic conspiracy theory (the power of Wikipedia editing!). So an MP with a Jewish husband is cast as an antisemite. https://t.co/hX0JLCxrft

— Fraser Nelson (@FraserNelson) March 27, 2019

Can’t believe the guy who publishes Taki might have a blind spot about antisemitism.

he's being dragged in an entertaining fashion

Curious to know in which module Fraser Nelson encountered the claim that Adorno and Horkheimer were principally concerned with introducing trigger warnings to American universities.

— Will Davies (@davies_will) March 27, 2019

"so old" wow did Fraser go to uni back in those halcyon days when there was never such a thing as anti-semitism?

it's also bollocks- "cultural Marxism" is a recent invention of alt-right/4Chan/Q-Anon types used to denigrate anything they deem "PC gone mad", there was no such phrase, though of course anti-Semitic dog-whistling has long been used as a method to discredit Frankfurt School theorists and others

thankfully Andrew Lilico is here to sort things out

The term "cultural Marxism" refers to a form of Marxism that is cultural. Saying "You can't combine 1 adjective & 1 noun in their natural way cos an antisemite once combined them" is utterly absurd.

— Andrew Lilico (@andrew_lilico) March 27, 2019

"a form of Marxism that is cultural" just savouring that particular phrase

Lollico absolutely will not settle for someone else having the most stupid take

Nuremberg Laws. the name of a Bavarian City with a noun.

OH GOOD GRIEF. #bbctw pic.twitter.com/sYOUIqrwKw

— Andi (@AndiMcLellan) March 29, 2019

Fair warning, this clip will make you want to pour bleach in your eyes and then torch the remaining flesh in the sockets.

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jesus fucking christ i did 5 seconds abolish the licence fee now

;_;

not with a bang, but with an andrew neil verse

There’s something there but he needs to spend more time refining his style if he wants to be a compelling rapper