xpThat issue had an interview with the same journalist as the 1984 interview linked upthread. It's here: https://web.archive.org/web/20130405163815/https://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/interviews/scott-walker_tilting-at-windmills
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:41 (five years ago) link
xpost
that's (orbison) a reference pt i hadn't thought of!
SW himself in the '60s declared himself influenced by jack jones, a name that mostly conjures up the word "huh?" now. but you can kind of hear it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EAELtJgD6A
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:42 (five years ago) link
i think walker's singing on the early records is more bombastic in the orbison mold and lacks the conversational intimacy of sinatra, who he is sometimes compared to. sinatra never wrote something like "big louise," though.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:44 (five years ago) link
Sinatra didn't write, period.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:45 (five years ago) link
do you intend "bombastic" as description or criticism? Orbison's choice of approach on "It's Over," "Running Scared," "In Dreams" is appropriate to the songs he wrote.
that's my point!
description, not criticism. i adore orbison and sW!
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:46 (five years ago) link
I remember Jack Jones popping up on aging WW2-generation-friendly TV variety shows in the '60s and '70s. His dad Allan was the boring musical relief in the Marx Brothers' two best MGM movies.
With that record I mentioned I hear Orbison in the arrangement just as much.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:47 (five years ago) link
yeah jack jones was one of those slightly younger guys who seemed to appeal to the greatest generation, like maybe bobby darin.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:56 (five years ago) link
The Jones of "Jolson and Jones" references Jack Jones's dad Allan. It shares lyrics with Jones's Donkey Serenade
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:01 (five years ago) link
!!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GD6qtc2_AQA/maxresdefault.jpg
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:05 (five years ago) link
and Jack Jones did the Love Boat theme
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
that song has the most musical use of a donkey's braying since the opening of au hasard balthazar.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
xpost lol
alternate universe where scott walker sings the love boat theme
Jack Jones also had the lead role The Comeback, a slasher flick directed by British sleaze merchant Pete Walker - Jones definitely sounds quite Scott-like at about the 47s mark in this trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhdFiw-tOCU
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:14 (five years ago) link
Some talk of Jack/Allan Jones in this Scott interview: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/scott-walker-not-easy-on-himself-6101790.html
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:18 (five years ago) link
jones kinda has a face made for radio tbh
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 02:46 (five years ago) link
“You’re all around me” is a great tune. It actually gets stuck in my head constantly even though I haven’t listened to it in years. I like the part where he thinks about the pigeon.
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:17 (five years ago) link
not that anyone needs reminding but this is an extraordinary song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJzTWk6bSw
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 04:13 (five years ago) link
i can't seem to find the link but there's a radio show from a few years ago, where jarvis cocker interviews scott for over an hour about those early records (which SW didn't often talk about) and they talk about his arrangers quite a bit. worth a listen or two.
― Alba, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 05:31 (five years ago) link
I believe the interview has now been repeated on 6music, so will now be on the BBC player
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 07:15 (five years ago) link
Jarvis: "I've got a recording of an interview you gave a few years ago, can I play a bit of it to you?"
Possibly the only person who could get that one OK'ed by Scott
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 07:19 (five years ago) link
I love how Scott had Jarvis add "The second side of 'Til The Band Comes In" to the list of substandard things in Bad Cover Version
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 07:42 (five years ago) link
He didn't - Jarvis wrote it before Scott was on the project, he claims that Scott never noticed it - certainly never said owt.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 09:46 (five years ago) link
I think Jack Jones was more popular in the UK than the US.
― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 09:53 (five years ago) link
xp is there a quote on that somewhere? Sure I remember otherwise, though quite likely some sort of false memory
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 10:01 (five years ago) link
http://i65.tinypic.com/2nbbqcm.jpg
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 11:38 (five years ago) link
Thanks, even better story.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 11:54 (five years ago) link
Well, there you go.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:05 (five years ago) link
What book is that, btw?
Excellent!
― piscesx, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:07 (five years ago) link
Weird thing is The War Is Over (Sleepers) is on Side 2 and that's one he wrote himself (and it's ace!) so he's got his facts a bit skew whiff.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:09 (five years ago) link
yeah, the album sort-of finishes it's theme about two-thirds of the way through, and adds a few (not al that terrible) covers at the end.
Then again, so does Scott 3.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:12 (five years ago) link
The book is Truth And Beauty - The Story Of Pulp by Mark Sturdy, it's an exhaustive book which covers their entire lifespan up until the hiatus.
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:27 (five years ago) link
You can hear a whistle in Scott’s speaking voice on that Jarvis i/v, presumably as a result of busting his teeth from his most recent cycling accident.
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
nice to hear that interview and him speak at length. early on listening to it I began imagining there could be a creature-comforts-style animation to accompany it.
― conrad, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:14 (five years ago) link
You can hear a whistle in Scott’s speaking voice on that Jarvis i/v, presumably as a result of busting his teeth from his most recent cycling accident.― Michael Jones, Tuesday, March 26, 2019 2:58 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, March 26, 2019 2:58 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not a result of one of his many bar fights?
he always had a slight lisp, did he not. gives his voice some of its alluring character imo.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:29 (five years ago) link
Lemon bloody cola!
Goddamn this stuff is so good. I intentionally avoid overplaying things I love, to keep them a bit fresh. Listening to "Bolivia '95" on headphones right now, I still hear things that surprise me.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
a repeat for jarvis' Late Junction mixtape
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0003rrv
The ElectricianBlanket Roll BluesClaraThe PlagueFarmer in the CityOpeningIt's Raining Today
― koogs, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:54 (five years ago) link
and here's Scott talking with Jarvis - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000417w
(same as youtube link, i think)
― koogs, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:56 (five years ago) link
Scott's favourite films:
http://bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/features/scott-walker-s-favourite-films
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:56 (five years ago) link
and related, an hour of soundtrack work
http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/84934
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:06 (five years ago) link
I like how so much of Scott's stuff is a reference to pre-60s societal and cultural ephemera - stuff I know very little about in all honesty
― frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:52 (five years ago) link
Such as?
― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:53 (five years ago) link
It doesn't surprise me that he loved Gertrud.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:12 (five years ago) link
climate of hunter is soooo amazing
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:24 (five years ago) link
isn't it just?
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:26 (five years ago) link
the billy ocean harmonies on "track three" make it that much more sinister
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:33 (five years ago) link
and then late-'60s scott rears up for the last time on "sleepwalkers woman"
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:39 (five years ago) link
That movie list: I think Chinese Roulette is the first of Fassbinder's movies with Kraftwerk's "Radioactivity" on the soundtrack? The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant makes use of the Walker Brothers's "In My Room" – that came out in 1972, which must have been a nadir of Scott Walker appreciation.
― with hidden noise, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:39 (five years ago) link