hah sorry!
― Neil S, Thursday, 28 March 2019 11:49 (five years ago) link
yeesh, those welfare votes especially :/ well obviously they're all evil bastards but...idk, some of them can at least deliver a baby haha
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 28 March 2019 11:49 (five years ago) link
Yeah we all know how this goes by now - big beasts tear each other apart or mobilise blocking coalitions. I would imagine that Remain Tories would be pragmatic enough to only put one candidate forward and whoever that is probably stands a decent chance of making the final two as the Brexit vote is split eight ways.
As far as the members themselves go, the most Brexity-sounding one on the members' ballot will win unless it's someone who, like Andrea Leadsom, is so obviously a disaster area that the unelectability thing kicks in.
No one is taking Jeremy Hunt particularly seriously as a candidate, no one has a strategy for stopping him, and he's a Remainer-turned-Leaver who could appeal to all sides. Seems like a decent bet. Lidington as well maybe because hardly anyone knows who he is.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 28 March 2019 11:58 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Hunt for exactly all those reasons
― stet, Thursday, 28 March 2019 11:59 (five years ago) link
Maybe Hunt's record on the NHS would come back to bite him if we are talking GE.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:03 (five years ago) link
Lidington is being positioned by people who don’t know anything about him as a moderate, boring safe pair of hands type, but he voted against legalising gay marriage and favours restrictions on abortion.
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:03 (five years ago) link
it might be good to have hunt in charge and fight the election on the nhs
― ogmor, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:05 (five years ago) link
It absolutely would come back and bite him; he’s also one of those ‘here’s my pamphlet about privatising the NHS!’ types.
― suzy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:06 (five years ago) link
Mordaunt.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:08 (five years ago) link
It’s Tug time:
Ex-forcesGood Establishment stockHasn’t done anything notable to annoy anyone Makes a vaguely photogenic pair with his wifeSame sort of indeterminate age as Cameron was when he came through
― ShariVari, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:19 (five years ago) link
Forces background balances out wife’s Frenchness
― ShariVari, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:20 (five years ago) link
When was the last time a Tory with a weirdish surname was leader? Also an excellent new slang term for wanking.
― suzy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:22 (five years ago) link
tug me ‘til I VONC
― PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:24 (five years ago) link
in the ongoing spirit of conciliation with our right-wing brethren i am now determined to find out if there's a single tory whose votes on stuff like welfare and health and whatnot are not entirely abysmal
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:25 (five years ago) link
this will be the most futile exercise in the history of ilx obv
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:26 (five years ago) link
Leaving aside SV’s inexplicable love for Tugendhat (COD of his dad?), Tugendhat himself is half French through his mother and a dual citizen.
On the one hand, he speaks several languages (incl Arabic) and on the other he sometimes tweets stuff like this:
Begum’s crime is betrayal. Her choice-even if not violent-to side with an enemy who wants to kill us is wrong. She’s not alone. Others have done the same, siding with enemies. We need to update our treason law. Read my ideas for @Policy_Exchange here: https://t.co/XQeZm4JeK8— Tom Tugendhat (@TomTugendhat) February 19, 2019
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:27 (five years ago) link
xox if there was, they wouldn’t be a Tory
I suspect Lidington's wikipedia page had a few hits over the weekend when he was the first name rumoured for the interim prime minister.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:28 (five years ago) link
gyac sort out your autocorrect lol
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:29 (five years ago) link
lol just remembered Grant Shapps
― nashwan, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:30 (five years ago) link
I think Tugendhat would be the weirdest surname of any Tory leader (it's Austrian?)
Tugendhat studied Theology at the University of Bristol, before doing a Masters in Islamic studies at Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge and learning Arabic in Yemen.
― ogmor, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:31 (five years ago) link
maybe I meant it imago, what do you think of THAT
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:32 (five years ago) link
I think most of the old guard Tories are going to think ‘Lord Chief Justice’ or ‘Baron’ when they hear Tugendhat, rather than it being an odd name.
The two things that made Cameron a winner with people who didn’t really agree with him, wrt the grass roots, were that he was recognised as ‘one of us’ or a social superior and he was the kind of vaguely smart, successful person they would like their granddaughter to marry. Get through the first stage of selection by the party as an inoffensive anyone-but-x candidate and he has the laity locked down.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:32 (five years ago) link
i feel warmly greeted back into the fold of persona grata xox
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:34 (five years ago) link
*personarum gratarum if we're going to give the right case and number. pip pip time for tea!
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:35 (five years ago) link
show trials for some, xox for others.
I think Mordaunt is an underrated pick. Military background, woman, cabinet experience, Leaver, grassroots love her. If it’s her and Hunt in the runoff, she’d take it.
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:38 (five years ago) link
She interviews very badly. Either comes across as clueless or malicious depending on the topic.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:41 (five years ago) link
forget me and xyzzzz, this is the zesty content ogmor cried out for
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:43 (five years ago) link
Related to Angela Lansbury, though, could be a secret weapon with the demographic.
xp
― ShariVari, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:43 (five years ago) link
If I was related to any Tories, I could make an educated guess about how she might poll with their voters. Alas.
She is obviously very right wing, but that’s who the members want to vote for, and has a voting record that’s progressive on enough social issues that wavering wettish voters will pull in with her. I could see her winning. And a third woman? That’s another thing to bash Labour for.
She’s also got some gorgeous cats.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/15/penny-mordaunt-brings-her-own-cat-to-westminster-office-in-order/
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:55 (five years ago) link
committed socialist angela lansbury must be v disappointed in penny
― recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:56 (five years ago) link
I dunno, I am thinking that the Tory party is not going to elect a female leader for quite some time.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:58 (five years ago) link
How likely is Gove this time around? He strikes me as one of those guys who is popular among Tories but absolutely no one else.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 28 March 2019 12:59 (five years ago) link
never in a million years
― recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:00 (five years ago) link
Still seems most likely to me if not Hunt.
― nashwan, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:02 (five years ago) link
Definite if he gets through to the final two, but he will be hated by the public. Never stopped them before though.
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:02 (five years ago) link
xxxp He's a hard worker, but he's mostly been working hard to piss off everyone - opportunistic Leaver but also gave an impassioned defense of the WA a month or so back, his knife firmly in Boris's back at the last leadership election, good at the Environment but then also good at the Environment. My impression is that nearly everyone considers him a grasper.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:03 (five years ago) link
not only is gove a snivelling little shit with a face like ten pounds of severed genitals stuffed into a five-pound bag, but he's scottish ffs
― recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:03 (five years ago) link
Give it to Guto
― nashwan, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:05 (five years ago) link
his official portrait makes him look like a third-rate comedian giving the edinburgh fringe one last try before throwing himself off a bridge
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Official_portrait_of_Michael_Gove_crop_2.jpg/800px-Official_portrait_of_Michael_Gove_crop_2.jpg
― recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:05 (five years ago) link
Why Leave when you can Grieeeve
Bookies have Gove as favourite at 5/2 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/next-conservative-leader-odds-runners-14195519
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:06 (five years ago) link
Any Gove GE campaign is going to have to have someone google “how to drink water like a human” first.
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:07 (five years ago) link
just one of the many human behaviours he will need to master
http://cogdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Michael_Gove_clapping.gif
― recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:09 (five years ago) link
http://fantastiq.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Dead-of-Night.jpg
― calzino, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:18 (five years ago) link
Then again, how much money is Sarah Vine making at the Mail and will she want to give that up when it comes down to it?
― suzy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:21 (five years ago) link
Ugh, just thought of her in No 10 😩
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link
Hunt, I reckon, at some point.
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― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link
I think Raab's in with a shout also.
― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:32 (five years ago) link
i'm a yank, so i probably shouldn't have voted, but i voted for Gaz Coombes.
― ⅋ (crüt), Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:32 (five years ago) link
jewish so they can't use the antisemitism thing
this tends not to stop ppl
― Simon H., Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link
Thanks to @ben_machell for featuring me in his gaming piece in @TimesMagazine. Great piece. One minor niggle I was ST not Amiga. Looking forward to getting a console in London so I can play more often. Maybe @tom_watson will let me play on his! pic.twitter.com/ehp1rkxrff— (((Alex Sobel MP))) (@alexsobel) May 19, 2018
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:19 (five years ago) link
ST is a massive dealbreaker
― nashwan, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:21 (five years ago) link
alex is cancelled
― recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:23 (five years ago) link
I think this Sobel dossier in progress is already looking very bad!
― calzino, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:23 (five years ago) link
Sorry repeating a bg post. My pc blew up yesterday and am restricted to phone shit posting.
― calzino, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:25 (five years ago) link
ST wtf
― PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link
rip big man, heaven needed calz's personal computer
― recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link
Enjoy the 600gb of free jazz flacs heaven, cos my neighbour will be sure glad they gone!
― calzino, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link
If McDonnell stood and got on the ballot he would be very likely to win but I'm not convinced that's a given. He's already had one heart attack and may lack the appetite for the top job at this stage.
One Labour figure who seems to be in the ascendancy is Angela Rayner, already has a senior shadow ministerial brief, not a natural Corbynite but has been very vocally supportive and loyal to the leadership. Appears to resemble a normal person as much as any politician does, friendly with the unions and would be able to position herself as a unity candidate. It might come too early for her though, same with Rebecca Long-Bailey.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link
i assume 'jazz flacs' is a euphemism xp
― recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link
Lol!
― calzino, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
Free ones at that, no wonder your computer blew up.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
such blatant disregard for dan j arvis itt
― PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
Angela Raynor is likeable but I found her opinions on the Blair years completely bollox once. I dont know if she has changed any since then, but if you don't what is wrong with past mistakes etc....
― calzino, Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link
rayner is so normal it's hard to imagine her as PM. as a charismatic working class soft left type she is popular the base, idk beyond that. long-bailey is v environment focused & serious, comes across well in person (not afraid to admit ignorance). both definitely on the team.
― ogmor, Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link
xp lol
As the group owner of Dan Jarvis For Leader, I would like to announce that I am withdrawing all support and this group will cease positing from tonight. You cannot ignore members and conference on this most important issue. It's time to put country before constituents. https://t.co/zMjg0u8qbn— Ben (@DanJarvisLeader) March 27, 2019
― ShariVari, Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link
As Miliband proved, the gutter press would just go back to dog-whistle AS and he’d not necessarily gain Jewish voters who started leaving when EM made it policy to recognise Palestinians.
I remember, at the time of that GE, Jewish voters being interviewed and saying they wouldn't vote for Miliband because he was Jewish - the logic being that he'd be bending over backwards to show he wasn't biased.
― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
Have to admit I was surprised that Dan Jarvis was even still in Parliament, I thought he'd just quietly gone off and done something more worthwhile at the last election.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
It's pretty amazing that anyone would stan that hard for Jarvis without knowing where he stood on the biggest single issue of the moment, but it does generally fit with the pattern of people building him based on no substance whatsoever.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
You not seen his tough soldier selfies in Afghan? If that doesn't burnish your political rep then thank fuck!
― calzino, Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:45 (five years ago) link
He’s the mayor for Sheffield now!
Can confirm at least one legend of the left is still glad he’s around:
If Ken Loach really cared about politics & the oppressed he would have filmed my script about Dan Jarvis freeing Marine A from a prison cell— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) February 13, 2017
― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
I saw Jewish voters interviewed about Ed Miliband (a lot of bubbies in Finchley, basically) and they were fans of the Other Brother, who had been ‘stabbed in the back’.
― suzy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
Sir Micheal "warm your hands on my balls" Fallon used that one against Ed in the 2015 election cxampaign as well, in a vaguely dogwhistle manner iirc.
― calzino, Thursday, 28 March 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
Pretty sure Other Brother wasn’t down with changing Labour’s pre-2014 I/P policy of constructive ambiguity.
― suzy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
In my head i frequently confuddle DMil with Ed Balls which is probably like my head otm
― The Xylems of the Limes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 28 March 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 31 March 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
Tom Tugendhat has the most regrettable name so whoever that is
― moose; squirrel (silby), Sunday, 31 March 2019 04:21 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 1 April 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
compelling evidence here that gove is a tier 1 menace https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/michael-gove-premiership-would-be-another-blow-british-muslims
summary of charges: reckless renegade, confidence masking deep ignorance, history of fabrication, islamophobia & liked by peter oborne
― ogmor, Thursday, 4 April 2019 12:23 (five years ago) link